06-12-2004 00:06									#61
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Btw, good luck to Oklahoma! If they win against USC, they will have tied ND on the number of AP championships!

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quote: Scheduling should be turned over to an independent body and not done by the schools.

This is definitely an interesting concept. Of course, as an ND fan, I want ND playing tough opponents so that the games are fun to watch. Unless the Boise States of the world are consistently good, I think ND's games against it would be boring.

	06-12-2004 00:10									#63
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If done like the pros, the better you do one season the tougher your schedule the next season.

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	06-12-2004 00:13									#64
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An alternative would be like soccer is done in some countries. Have two tiers, where you have to earn your way into the higher division. Of course, this would screw up the leagues.

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I was just thinking that as well.

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	06-12-2004 00:17									#66
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In a way, this is just replicating what the mid-majors are doing already. Utah and Boise State should be able to schedule tough teams just fine if they are consistently good. BYU scheduled ND, for instance, after being good for so long.

	06-12-2004 00:21									#67
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But the key there is, "for so long", it took 10 years afte BYU won a national championship, to get a #1 team to play them.

BYU does now have a tougher schedule, ND and USC, for instance.

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	06-12-2004 03:40									#68
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Cal gets screwed out of a BCS bowl.

Texas somehow gets the bid.

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	06-12-2004 03:59									#69
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Damn computer rankings!

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quote: Auburn will call themselves the champion, like Penn State does with 1998 (I think that's the year).

1994 actually, IIRC.

quote: An alternative would be like soccer is done in some countries. Have two tiers, where you have to earn your way into the higher division. Of course, this would screw up the leagues.

I proposed this idea a while back, but no one here seemed to like it. Good to see someone else think of it.

	06-12-2004 05:23									#71
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Here's a quick guide to the 2004-05 bowl season.


2004-05 Bowl Schedule
Bowl Matchup Date/Time Network

Wyndham New Orleans
at New Orleans, La. North Texas vs.
Southern Miss
Dec. 14
7:30 p.m. ESPN

Champs Sports
at Orlando, Fla Syracuse
vs. Georgia Tech
Dec. 21
7:45 p.m. ESPN

GMAC
at Mobile, Ala. Memphis vs.
Bowling Green
Dec. 22
8 p.m. ESPN

PlainsCapital Fort Worth
at Fort Worth, Texas Cincinnati vs.
Marshall
Dec. 23
6:30 p.m. ESPN

Pioneer PureVision
Las Vegas
at Las Vegas UCLA vs. Wyoming
Dec. 23
9:45 p.m. ESPN

Sheraton Hawaii
at Honolulu Hawaii vs. UAB
Dec. 24
7 p.m. ESPN

MPC Computers
at Boise, Idaho Fresno State
vs. Virginia
Dec. 27
2 p.m. ESPN

Motor City
at Detroit Toledo vs. Connecticut
Dec. 27
5:30 p.m. ESPN

Independence
at Shreveport, La. Iowa State
vs. Miami (Ohio)
Dec. 28
6:30 p.m. ESPN

Insight
at Phoenix Oregon State
vs. Notre Dame
Dec. 28
9:45 p.m. ESPN

EV1.net Houston
at Houston, Texas Colorado vs. UTEP
Dec. 29
4:30 p.m. ESPN

MasterCard Alamo
at San Antonio, Texas Ohio State
vs.Oklahoma State
Dec. 29
8 p.m. ESPN

Continental Tire
at Charlotte, N.C. Boston College
vs. North Carolina
Dec. 30
1 p.m. ESPN2

Emerald Bowl
at San Francisco, Calif. Navy vs. New Mexico
Dec. 30
4:30 p.m. ESPN2

Pacific Life Holiday
at San Diego, Calif. Texas Techvs. Cal
Dec. 30
8 p.m. ESPN

Silicon Valley
at San Jose Calif. Northern Illinoisvs. Troy
Dec. 30
11 p.m. ESPN2

Gaylords Hotels Music City
at Nashville, Tenn. Alabama vs. Minnesota
Dec. 31
Noon ESPN

Vitalis Sun
at El Paso, Texas Arizona State
vs. Purdue
Dec. 31
2 p.m. CBS

AutoZone Liberty
at Memphis, Tenn. Louisville vs.
Boise State
Dec. 31
3:30 p.m. ESPN

Chick-fil-A Peach
at Atlanta, Ga. Miami vs. Florida
Dec. 31
7:30 p.m. ESPN

Outback
at Tampa, Fla. Georgia vs. Wisconsin
Jan. 1
11 a.m. ESPN

SBC Cotton
at Dallas, Texas Texas A&M
vs. Tennessee
Jan. 1
11 a.m. Fox

Toyota Gator
at Jacksonville, Fla. West Virginia vs.
Florida State
Jan. 1
12:30 p.m. NBC

Capital One
at Orlando, Fla. Iowa vs. LSU
Jan. 1
1 p.m. ABC

Rose
at Pasadena, Calif. Michigan vs. Texas
Jan. 1
4:30 p.m. ABC

Tostitos Fiesta
at Tempe, Ariz. Utah vs. Pittsburgh
Jan. 1
8:30 p.m. ABC

Nokia Sugar
at New Orleans, La. Auburn vs. Virginia Tech
Jan. 3
8 p.m. ABC

FedEx Orange
at Miami, Fla. USC vs. Oklahoma
Jan. 4
8 p.m. ABC

	06-12-2004 07:29									#72
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Man, I'm so ****ing sick of seeing corporate names in front of... well, almost anything having to do with sports. The "VISA" skycam. The "Tostito's" halftime report. The... well, y'all know.

	06-12-2004 07:41									#73
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Man, I'm so ****ing sick of seeing corporate names in front of... well, almost anything having to do with sports. The "VISA" skycam. The "Tostito's" halftime report. The... well, y'all know.

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quote: Man, I'm so ****ing sick of seeing corporate names in front of... well, almost anything having to do with sports. The "VISA" skycam. The "Tostito's" halftime report. The... well, y'all know.

I am too, CapitalOne JohnT.

	06-12-2004 09:31									#75
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell I am too, CapitalOne JohnT.

CapitalOne JohnT has been bought out. He will now be known as Tostitos JohnT.

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quote: An alternative would be like soccer is done in some countries. Have two tiers, where you have to earn your way into the higher division. Of course, this would screw up the leagues.

Well the problem is that in those soccer leagues every team in each division plays every other team in that divison multiple times. That is what makes religation and promotion 'fair'. You can't really have that college football.

	06-12-2004 10:18									#77
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CAL GOT SCREWED WHAT A CROCK THIS SYSTEM BLOWS IN A MILLION WAYS.

quote: I'm satisfied with the current system and think that it did its job just fine this year. Auburn, Utah, and Boise State are judged in part by their strength of schedules. It seems pretty clear to me that USC and Oklahoma are #1 and #2, respectively. If Auburn, Utah, and Boise State don't want left out next time, they'll schedule tougher opponents.

you're crazy. USC has one of the easiest scheduals. the pac 10 blows. the only good team they beat was cal, and they barely beat them. meanwhile, auburn beats last years co-national champs (LSU) and two other top 10 teams. You have no idea what you're talking about. Auburn is clearly the best team, followed by OU, then USC, then Cal, then Texas. Cal, who lost to the number 1 team in the land, gets 5th, while Texas who lost to a way weaker team, gets the nod above them. there is nothing here that makes sense, get rid of the whole thing.

auburn went undefeated in the SEC, you cant schedual any tougher games then that.

	06-12-2004 10:26									#78
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Cal got royally screwed by the coaches poll. I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that the Big 12 has 12 votes and the Pac 10 only has 10. The coaches votes need to be made public.

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Auburn fan?

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nope, Cal fan. respond if you can, if you cant thats aight too.

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quote: auburn went undefeated in the SEC, you cant schedual any tougher games then that.

Yes you can. The SEC SUCKED this year. In numerous computer polls, the conference ranked 4th or 5th. The SEC record in 7+ win teams in out of conference play was 3-7 (and two of those wins were against Troy). They just were not that good this year, which makes this 'outrage' even funnier.

	06-12-2004 10:34									#82
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maybe, but auburn beat 3 top 10 teams. 3. no one else came close. and they didnt just beat them, they blew them out. usc didnt blow out any top 10 teams. nor did ou.

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Auburn should be 2 or 1

The system is a joke

	06-12-2004 10:39									#84
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or last year when OU lost the BIg 12 championships and still went. what a crock. usc shoulda gone that year, and least it woulda been competitive. ou chocked of course, because they didnt deserve to be in it, but this sytem promotes chaos and idiocricy.

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3 Top 10 Teams? The only SEC teams I see in the top 10 are Auburn and Georgia. Unless you are using the idiotic ranked in the Top 10 when they played them measure, which is absolutely useless. After all, West Virginia was ranked 10th in the beginning of the year. Guess that Virginia Tech can say it beat another Top 10 team by beating WVa?

And it's telling that in EVERY poll, human or computer, Auburn finishes 3rd. And I'm not talking about the aggregate of the computer polls, no... EVERY SINGLE computer poll had Auburn in 3rd, leading to their aggregate to be 3rd.

And OU beat the crap out of Texas. Just because it was 'only' 12-0 didn't mean they beat them worse than Auburn beat Tennessee the first time.

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Cal took a knee instead of running it up on Southern Mississippi. It would be a real shame if that made the difference for a few of the poll voters.

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quote: 3 Top 10 Teams? The only SEC teams I see in the top 10 are Auburn and Georgia. Unless you are using the idiotic ranked in the Top 10 when they played them measure, which is absolutely useless.

thats what im using, since after all, after one loss, most teams drop 4 - 6 places. they beat LSU, Tenessee twice, and Georgia. 3 top 10 teams.

quote: And it's telling that in EVERY poll, human or computer, Auburn finishes 3rd. And I'm not talking about the aggregate of the computer polls, no... EVERY SINGLE computer poll had Auburn in 3rd, leading to their aggregate to be 3rd.

who cares what the computer says. those things are flawed. you know it, i know it, the bcs knows it. too much emphasise on preseason. as for the human polls, they are flawed too, because until you see the teams play each other, you dont know which one is better. and since coaches/ writers dont watch the west coast games, they check out the scores and base it on that, which leads to coaches like bob stoops running up the scores to help them both in the computers and on the polls.

as you can see, if OU coulda scored more, they woulda. 12 - 0 is not beating the crap outta them. look at how they did nebraska. bob stoops is a low down person who hurts the game by running up scores. but he has to, because auburn was breathing down their necks and this sytem doesnt work.

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quote: Cal took a knee instead of running it up on Southern Mississippi. It would be a real shame if that made the difference for a few of the poll voters.

espn seems to think it cost them in the coaches/AP polls.

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last week, when Cal was idle and Texas barely beat A&M a weak school., Texas gains 0.3 points on Cal, and is literally breathing down their necks. they were separated by 8 votes total between coaches and AP poll. how is it that texas who barely beat A&M gets 4th while Cal who barely beat a better southern miss team, but coulda run up the score and didnt, gets 5th, in incomprehensible and undefensible.

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quote: thats what im using, since after all, after one loss, most teams drop 4 - 6 places. they beat LSU, Tenessee twice, and Georgia. 3 top 10 teams.

That's an idiotic measure. You judge how many Top 10 teams a team has beaten after the season is over. Auburn has beaten only 1, Georgia. The others aren't good enough.

quote: who cares what the computer says. those things are flawed. you know it, i know it, the bcs knows it. too much emphasise on preseason.

The computers don't take preseason into account. And they are the best argument against the human bias argument (ie, teams drop 4-6 places after a loss).

quote: if OU coulda scored more, they woulda. 12 - 0 is not beating the crap outta them.

Did you watch the game? It was a total beat down. Oklahoma played ball control and rushed the ball down Texas's throat, with Peterson getting 225 yards on the ground in that game.