02-01-2005 23:30									#31
	Inflate your Upload Space

quote: Originally posted by Snoddasmannen And then we should just show them that Morgan makes 130 ec:s per turn. I still can't get over that ...

They lost about 10% of that revenue when they chose Vendetta

They now get zero commerce income from other factions

	02-01-2005 23:39									#32
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

We can let that tech go anyway, as almost everyone else has it - so let's get something for it. I guess acting weak at the same time will be a good move as well. I think we can combine both goals, no?

	05-01-2005 20:26									#33
	Get a bigger avatar today!

Kassi:

Any movement in discussions in trying to get something for Ecological Engineering before Morgan meets the Gaians and trades/sells it to them?

G

	05-01-2005 20:40									#34
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Should the Gaians be researching EcoEng at the moment, how about a deal like this:

We give Gaians EcoEng.
Gaia switches research to IntInt, provided they could get IntInt several years earlier than the Angels.
Gaia gives us - and the Angels - IntInt when it's researched. What Gaia gets in return from the Angels they should decide.
The Angels switch research to Cyberethics (should that be possible), and give it to us when researched.

Don't know what we could ask the Angels for EcoEng though.

	06-01-2005 02:26									#35
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Uh, so am I going to propose to Chaos and the Angels what Maniac's put forward? I haven't communicated to anyone anything yet because I was busy yesterday and currently I have little idea of what to say, since I'm not clear on what we want to propose vis-a-vis tech trade.

Last edited by Kassiopeia on 06-01-2005 at 02:34

	06-01-2005 02:55									#36
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I don't think they'd go for such a trade. It might be too complicated as it already is, so getting ahead with other techs doesn't seem good to me. Long-term deals are risky now, because we don't know how exactly everyone will react, once we start tearing Morgan apart.

Perhaps, for a change, just plain ask both factions, if they would want to buy Ecol Eng, and what they would be willing to pay.

	06-01-2005 03:02									#37
	Full PM-box? Change here!

I think it's most important to secure their neutrality in this conflict. Try to convince them that the Morgans are strong enough to challenge us like this, and that we are trying to negotiate a peace treaty due to our over-extended military. They will want us to stay at war with Morgan I presume, so we can only hope that they can convince us of their neutrality.

Eventually, it might be possible to bribe them later on with EcoEng to get them to stay on our side, or at least be neutral.

But of course, asking them what they would pay for EcoEng is also a good idea.

	06-01-2005 03:12									#38
	Got spare money?

Maybe suggest that if they stay neutral the price for EcolEng will be "acceptable"? In other words, make it clear that negotiating with us will be way easier if there's no past aggression between us. I think crafting the tone will be essential.

	06-01-2005 03:20									#39
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Yes that sounds like a good approach Kass
Just make sure that they don't misinterpret it as some sort of blackmail.

	06-01-2005 03:20									#40
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia Maybe suggest that if they stay neutral the price for EcolEng will be "acceptable"? In other words, make it clear that negotiating with us will be way easier if there's no past aggression between us. I think crafting the tone will be essential.

That sounds like a good idea.

Do they know that everyone else has this tech already? If not, we just might sell it for what we want, and get their neutrality for it.

	06-01-2005 04:12									#41
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

It's going to be a Phoney war for four years still, so what we want to do is to get something - anything - for ecol Eng before Morgan meets the Angels/Gaians withh that south-exploring 'Gator and makes contact.

I like Maniac's idea - which we could reinforce with our "paranoia" about pending sunspot activity (which would hinder Angel-Gaian tech trades as well)

We could tell them that we had a vessel mind-controlled away from us by Morgan - hence the state of Vendetta - and that we are currently planning an appropriate response or recompense. We needn't say we are planning an attack on a base, or a full-scale invasion, so I don't think we should even ask for/offer anything for their neutrality.

Just treat the Vendetta as "no biggie" as far as the A's and G's are concerned

	06-01-2005 04:29									#42
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Maybe say, "don't interfere, because that might escalate this to a fullblown war, and I doubt you want that either?" But what do we say when it does escalate into a fullblown war? "It's their fault, they escalated it first"? "Our offers of peace were rejected"?

	06-01-2005 04:47									#43
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Just say they (the Morgan camp):

"Had no sense of humour. We killed their probe - they took our cash
They took our laser foil - we took their Headquarters & the PTS ............ and now they're mad at us?"

	06-01-2005 05:30									#44
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

The SCC Invincible leaving Gaian waters by the south pole (it really is the HMS Invincible)

Attachment: vince off southcoast.jpg
This has been downloaded 41 time(s).

	06-01-2005 07:09									#45
	Increase the size of your Attachments

quote: Originally posted by Googlie Just say they (the Morgan camp): "Had no sense of humour. We killed their probe - they took our cash They took our laser foil - we took their Headquarters & the PTS ............ and now they're mad at us?"

I guess we'll figure it out when the time comes

I'll start drafting up some messages, then.

	06-01-2005 21:59									#46
	Increase Your PM Length

I posted in the Recreation Commons in the general forum, indirectly teasing Illuminatis a bit, and judging by his reaction I think he still doesn't like me very much Oh well.

But what really got me thinking was the note he had in his sig:

quote: Citizens of Gaian Union: something very important has occured, visit our forum now!

What could that be? An attack from the Hive? An attack by the Angels? (as if). Or perhaps, terrible for us, meeting the Morgans?

	06-01-2005 22:12									#47
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

I have a feeling it's the Morgans.

	07-01-2005 04:10									#48
	Tired of ads?

I'd say it was a Morgan contact too - when last spotted, their second 'Gator was heading towards the styx channel

	07-01-2005 04:51									#49
	Increase Your PM Length

I guess that means our days of fearlessly bullying the other teams are over

	07-01-2005 04:54									#50
	Get a bigger avatar today!

quote: Originally posted by Snoddasmannen I guess that means our days of fearlessly bullying the other teams are over

Right. Now it's time to break things for real.

	09-01-2005 18:08									#51
	Get a bigger avatar today!

quote: Seems no one sent you a diplomatic message. *sigh* I have to intervene yet again. I can see that Gaians seem to be exploring notion of trade (they seem interested in this possibility) but I need to inform you that it might take a while until you get a response. There are two reasons for this: Gaians are having grave problems with member activity (as you surely must have noticed) for some time. Other reason is even if they manage to get rid of this problems, your offer is not as simple as it seems: it would require additional negotiation with Angels just to see if this is possible, and then to examine what is the most likely course of action before Gaians will respond to you. To conclude, please do not be alarmed by lack of feedback information from Gaians - it make take a week or two before you receive word on your proposal.

1) It's good not to be the only one with a little delays here and ther e
2) Their team seems to be falling apart, for the sake of the game that can't be good
3) TWO WEEKS?!
4) "Two events" - the other is reduced member activity, the other the fact that Angels need to be talked with also - but I sense that there's a third reason, the one Illuminatus referred to in his sig. THAT, or the important event might be *our proposal*, and he's just using it to try to get the crowd back together again. *shrug*

	09-01-2005 18:40									#52
	Suffering from ads?

quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia 3) TWO WEEKS?!

If they have few active members, with badly communicated schedules, the waiting can get long. If one person does everything, you can hardly call it a democracy game.

quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia 4) "Two events" - the other is reduced member activity, the other the fact that Angels need to be talked with also - but I sense that there's a third reason, the one Illuminatus referred to in his sig. THAT, or the important event might be *our proposal*, and he's just using it to try to get the crowd back together again. *shrug*

The bad part of this is, we might be all over Morgan, before the Gaians come together to give us an answer. So our position in this negotiations might worsen.

	09-01-2005 18:43									#53
	Suffering from ads?

quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia 2) Their team seems to be falling apart, for the sake of the game that can't be good

No that seems terrible
I thought we were rather short with just 6 or so active members, but I guess they're having real problems.

quote: 3) TWO WEEKS?!

Well for all we know the Angels could also be having problems with member activity. It wouldn't surprise me seeing that they're probably the worst positioned team right now, and there was also that guy who cheated at the beginning of the game. So anyway it might take a week to reach a deal with the Angels and then another week to decide what to do with us. Who knows.

Who sent you this btw? jtsisyoda? Illuminatis?

	09-01-2005 19:27									#54
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by Snoddasmannen Who sent you this btw? jtsisyoda? Illuminatis?

LOL - One would hope it wasn't jtsisyoda (Morgan's turnplayer)

	09-01-2005 19:32									#55
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Illuminatus, I managed to forget to mention that. At least Chaos posted it somewhere, so there's two active members already. (Yay?!)

	09-01-2005 19:32									#56
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

quote: Originally posted by Snoddasmannen Well for all we know the Angels could also be having problems with member activity.

And I'm not sensing that. Mart is the turnplayer, and I see Hercules and Flameflash posting often, but don't see their posts in teh multiplayer section where both are active in a few PBEMs. I'm not so sure how active geomodder is nowadays, though,

(Could be in off-topic, though, as I rarely go there)

But my sense is that they have a good core of regulars (3 or 4) much like we have

	09-01-2005 20:06									#57
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by Googlie LOL - One would hope it wasn't jtsisyoda (Morgan's turnplayer)

Ok fair enough, there's just too many people to keep track of

	10-01-2005 01:53									#58
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

quote: Originally posted by Snoddasmannen I thought we were rather short with just 6 or so active members, but I guess they're having real problems.

Actually I think I can safely say we're the most active faction. Though the more the better of course.

quote: Originally posted by Googlie I'm not so sure how active geomodder is nowadays, though,

He's been travelling in New Zealand since mid-November. He should be back in some week IIRC. Then I assume he'll join the ranks of active Angels again.

	10-01-2005 12:07									#59
	Full PM-box? Change here!

I see that the Gaians haven't met Morgan this turn as we suspected they might have.

I wonder, therefore, if Illuminatus' call to his faction to log in was as a result of Kassi's techtrade offer?

- and what do we do now that it looks as though Zak might get Int Int earlier (but not so, if we buy Mon Stat from him - that actually looks like a good plan now - it will mean that the Angels (or Gaians) deal will still be our principal one)

	13-01-2005 02:28									#60
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Oh dear, the poor Gaians seem to have lost their leader Lady Deirdre to an assassination. All according to their special edition of the Voice of Planet in the general forum. It also appears the murderer was of a non-Gaian identity. And reading between the lines, it was probably a Spartan (or so they would have us believe)

This can't be good. It looks like a preparation for a declaration of war (a casus belli), and I can only hope we are not the ones being targeted.

quote: Voice of the Planet Special Issue #3 If faction (sic!) which may have sent assasin is discovered, we might face prospect of even a global war in future.

Why would they print this if it weren't to be so, to scare us? Perhaps we are so fortunate that they are going after the Angels, almost seems like a reasonable piece of meat to chew on. But it might just as well be targeting us. Do they have a couple of IoD's with mindworms storming at us from the fungus?