13-01-2005 02:50									#61
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Two guesses.

Either they are still deciding whether to join Sparta, or Morgan, and this prepares the groung for a declaration of war.

Or, they decided to really attack Yang, not just defend. They'd "find out", that it was a Hive infiltration, and they could turn fundy "in rage" after the assassination.

Whatever the plan, their roleplaying is sweet.

	13-01-2005 03:02									#62
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Hmm, interesting. They haven't explicitly stated which faction the "assassin" was from, was it? So I do agree with Modo: they're up in the air about what's going to fall down.

I think I'm going to PM Illuminatus. "My condolences for Lady Skye's death. Oh, and you'll be better off with a weakened and victorious Sparta rather than a strong and victorious Morgan."

	13-01-2005 03:09									#63
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I'd rather not react in private - post in that thread Illuminatus made. And keep them hanging in the air - stick to the condolences. If they want something from us, I say let them come and ask directly.

	13-01-2005 03:19									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 I'd rather not react in private - post in that thread Illuminatus made. And keep them hanging in the air - stick to the condolences. If they want something from us, I say let them come and ask directly.

Hmmm, why is that?

I like the idea of sending a quick private PM, and then waiting a while to give a more elaborate official statement of condolence.

I'm still not convinced that they are as yet undecided. I think they're setting up to give us hell, but remember I'm paranoid I agree with you Modo, either way, their roleplaying is sweet

	13-01-2005 03:24									#65
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Basically, talking about the Morgan-Sparta situation would sound like we are intimidated. Especially if our reaction comes so quickly. I prefer to never sound intimidated, and I don't think they have decided anything. Some people are paranoid, some people are overly confident.

	13-01-2005 03:58									#66
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Hmm, I must have made myself a bit unclear. I am thinking of a more devious response (duh!), to the effect of:

"We express our condolences blab blab. Obviously the assailant was of Morganite origin, as we all know the apparent prowess of their intelligence division, that the Angels couldn't have done since they are your good friends, and most assuredly it wasn't us - we'd know about it!

So, since you are apparently contemplating war with Morgan, I assure you, we will be able to provide you with valuable infiltration data on them - and we must express our surprise over their timing of yet another act of aggression, as they are rapidly closing in on a point where they can bundle up on their island and build themselves to victory by shrugging off any attack that can be staged with our limited resources.

In this light, their decision to aggravate your wrath already now with such a heinous deed is strange, but I won't delve into that any further. Just give us the word, and we'll help you in any way we can."

I think this makes it look like they've already decided how it's going to be, and we're trumpeting what a good decision it was at the same time.

	13-01-2005 04:07									#67
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This makes sense, I agree. And it's obviously not for the public.

	13-01-2005 06:57									#68
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The Gaians have their hands full with Yang. Remember, they popped a Unity Foil some time back and that was used to send their probe and mindworm north to Yang. They only got flex a few turns ago, so can't have an IOD (or if so, then it's still in their own coastal waters) as they can't capture IoD's with transports and would need to build a foil first, then go hunting.

So I'd say, "Yes, you're being paranoid"

	13-01-2005 10:34									#69
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What if the "big thing" was the Morganites making a probe action against the Gaians? Although the whole point in such a maneuvre seems suicidal and irrational. OTOH, the hints at professional probe teams may suggest an Angel involvement, but I find it unlikely the Gaian's DOW them.

	13-01-2005 12:06									#70
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Well, if the Morganites had probed the Gaians they would have their commlink right? Which they didn't, so I think we can rule that out.

Very nice PM Kass, go for it

And I will accept the judgement of the Junta that I am paranoid, though it won't make me any less paranoid

	13-01-2005 20:43									#71
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Great message Kassiopeia!

While we’re performing a diplomatic offensive towards the Gaian Union, may I suggest a follow-up message something like this? If the theory is correct that they’re setting up a precedent to declare war on either us or Morgan, perhaps offering them cooperation will help to make them choose our side.

Greetings most honoured members of the High Council,

Last year, Mission Year 2155, a terrible event struck upon the Spartan Federation. While we have always maintained friendly relations with our large neighbour the Human Hive – as much as it is possible to have good relations with such a dictator as Yang – this year he suddenly declared a Vendetta on us. So sudden is Yang’s change in stance towards us, that we suspect Morgan Corporation has bribed the Hive into doing so.

The reason seems obvious. Last year he began the conflict by seizing control of our former capital ship the SCC Hunter, and this year he continues by setting up the Hive against us. We are now very vulnerable as we share an extensive border with Yang, and our main combat forces are located in Arcadia.

And just recently we regret to read that your faction leader Lady Skye has been assassinated. As we have mentioned before, according to our information this seriously smells towards a Morganite action. Only they could be so cowardly. It is no doubt an attempt to destabilize your faction. Together with tying us up in a long war with the Hive, they have strongly weakened the forces that could yet have resisted their domination of Chiron under a brutal form of free market.

However it is not yet too late! By cooperation we can push back the Hivean hordes, and, by the grace of Planet, ultimately bring the battle back to the homes of Morgan Industries. Therefore the Junta would like to suggest an exchange of information and tactical battle plans regarding the Human Hive, to combine our efforts to repulse our common enemies. Together we can prevail!

Hoping for a positive answer,

The Spartan Junta

	13-01-2005 20:46									#72
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Yang has declared vendetta on us?! Seriously?

	13-01-2005 21:39									#73
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That sonds like a plan. Maniac.

quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia Yang has declared vendetta on us?! Seriously?

Yes. They demanded something, and we told them to beat it. They decided they want to play. Will provide combat training for Spartan troops, I guess.

	14-01-2005 00:18									#74
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Received a PM from Illuminatus. Good news, bad news.

Bad news: The Gaian team is currently missing a turnplayer. They run the risk of having to default to an AI. The good news: They seem to be strictly yaligned against Morgan. I'll just paste what I received here:

quote: I am not a lord for some time (I retired from almost all positions in faction). Please try contacting CT or BT in future, as I am trying to get myself out of copypasting messages from threads to PMs and from PMs to threads. Gaian replies will come in several days I believe, currently they are trying to find a turnplayer. [off-Gaian related] I noticed in October that one day this will happen but I kept silent. Drogue was foolish to quell Tassadar - spamming was what saved Hive team in last ACDG. It would at least maintain a constant level of activity and interest. Both Gaians, you and Angels are having identical activity problems, which slows game seriously. It would be a shame if Morgan wins not because of their skill but because other factions were Codiciled to AIs.

I kinda feel bad faking inactivity problems to them. It looks like we and the Morgans are top contenders since we can maintain a decent level of activity.

	14-01-2005 03:02									#75
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Well I agree, I don't feel too good about faking inactivity either

Like I've come to realize, we still have a good sized core of members who are active. And I for one intend to stay active, since I'm having a lot of fun and I usually have the spare time for it, beats watching TV any time

	14-01-2005 04:02									#76
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Amen to that. If all else fails, I'll play the turn myself 'til the gruesome end comes

	14-01-2005 15:14									#77
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Right on

I was thinking, maybe we should clarify to Gaia that we only had a temporary lack of interest due to key members being temporarily busy, but that we usually have 5 or so members who are active and post. It will at least keep faith alive for Illuminatus.

Also I was thinking if I should offer him my help to get some drama going in the Gaian camp. I don't know how I would do that though, let alone without hurting the Federation.

	14-01-2005 17:19									#78
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Illuminatus has retired from Lordship, we should negotiate with Chaos Theory from now on I guess.

	14-01-2005 18:32									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Snoddasmannen I was thinking, maybe we should clarify to Gaia that we only had a temporary lack of interest due to key members being temporarily busy, but that we usually have 5 or so members who are active and post. It will at least keep faith alive for Illuminatus.

quote: Also I was thinking if I should offer him my help to get some drama going in the Gaian camp.

That's a reason why I'd suggest to cooperate with them against the Hive. It could provide them with a concrete goal and chances for interaction.

PS: Kassiopeia, I'm unsure of this, have you sent your (and my?) PM to Illuminatus, or did he send a PM to you on his own initiative?

	14-01-2005 19:50									#80
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Kass:

Ask Illuminatus if there's anything that Googlie can do to encourage Darsnan and Hydro to be more active (since I "recruited" them to the gaians anyway)

(I'd just jump right in and e-mail them, but what if Ill's PM is from the Gaian Ministry of Disinformation, trying to lull us into giving them some "catch-up" techs etc etc to make their faction stronger and thus more interesting to play?)

I mean, they do have Chaos Theory and laurentius who are very active in the multiplayer forum, and whose names appear as posters often when thete's no corresponding PBEM thread that they've visited.

EDIT: LOL, I'm beginning to sound just as paranoid as everyone else

	20-01-2005 18:42									#81
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*BUMP*

quote: Originally posted by Maniac PS: Kassiopeia, I'm unsure of this, have you sent your (and my?) PM to Illuminatus, or did he send a PM to you on his own initiative?

	20-01-2005 18:47									#82
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Uhh, I think I did. What PM was the one you're referring to?

	20-01-2005 18:55									#83
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this one & this one

	20-01-2005 18:57									#84
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Yes, I've sent it. The war pact with the Hive was possibly the thing that decided in our favour.

	20-01-2005 19:09									#85
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Ah great to hear! Strange then though that they haven't mentioned anything further about a Hive war pact.

	20-01-2005 19:36									#86
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* Kassiopeia shrugs

The message *is* in my sent items folder, so I've definitely sent it to Illuminatus. Maybe bring it back up in the follow-up message we'll write to him wrt. the EE deal.

	20-01-2005 19:51									#87
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Ask them if they'd like another Embassy established for faster communications

	23-01-2005 18:10									#88
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Okay, things are now going waaaay south.

quote: I am sorry to inform you that Gaian Union has refused exchange of tactical information. Although it is a logical step to pool resources against a common enemy, Gaian Union declines because of actions of Spartan Federation. For years and years, Spartan Federation is deliberately violating our teritory rights, mapping Gaian coast with their foil. Spartan Federation has clearly and intentionally violated our teritorial sea hoping to obtain tactical data without being noticed. This act has been identified as hostile and as such, Gaian Union will not share any tactical data with you. Additionally, Gaian Union requests navigation logs from the foil as a possible compensation for your transgression. They must not be attempted to be falsificated. Our investigation has shown that so called Morgan had nothing to do with assasination, in fact, Morgan never commited a hostile act against us, unlike Sparta. Current suspects are Human Hive and Spartan Federation, and since Human Hive foils do not cruise our coast, prime suspicion for the murder is Sparta.

Where did this come from? First they agree to the tech exchange with us and now they go on war-footing? What the hell?

First order of business is probably asking them, where are the green little lines along your coast? I don't see them. The GU has made no declaration like the Modo Doctrine, so we fail to see how we've transgressed on their territory. I would also like them to specify, what it is they mean on "logs". Screenshots of their coast? I could live with that, but seriously, I don't like the tone they're using. It's like they've met up with Morgan and Morgan has planted these... ideas... in their heads.

	23-01-2005 18:30									#89
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You are right, it is kind of strange for them to be turning around now. Some consequence would be nice, or else we won't like talking to them. After all, it would be them who would receive something first, if they were to accept the tech deal. Perhaps we should make it clear to them?

As to the mapping, I wasn't there when it happened. If, as you say, they didn't try to claim any water territory, they have no right to demand anything post factum. Neither do they have right to call a simple exploration a hostile act.

About the tactical data... well, I'd answer with a cool "whatever". Something like:
"We can handle Yang without help, thank you very much. If you don't want helpful data, we won't force you to take it."

	23-01-2005 18:41									#90
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This is bad I think. Being paranoid, I originally stated that we were going to be framed for the murder, and it looks like I am being proven right - yay

This is a very elaborate role-playing scheme, including an assasination and the invention of territorial violations (which we haven't received any complaints about earlier). Why they agreed to the tech-trade I do not know - playing tricks with us maybe? At any rate, they wouldn't make all this up without some grand scheme at work. Maybe it's just a matter of dropping us as a strategic partner, but it could be a preparation for war.

We should continue to explore their intents and attitude. I agree with you Kassi, we should enquire about the so called transgressions. Why weren't we approached earlier regarding this issue?

Why should we send them screenies? No way. Let them to their own exploring.

quote: Current suspects are Human Hive and Spartan Federation, and since Human Hive foils do not cruise our coast, prime suspicion for the murder is Sparta.

She was killed by an artillery shell from a gunship?