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Combat Ingrid
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Satan's Majestic Empire
Nov 2001
time: 06:27
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This thread made me think of Chuck Schuldiner (R.I.P.) and the generous help he got from the wonderful american health system 
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The mother of DEATH/CONTROL DENIED mainman Chuck Schuldiner, Jane Schuldiner, has spoken out about her son's ongoing and heart-wrenching battle to receive medical help after being diagnosed with pontine glioma, a rare type of brain tumor, two years ago. Here is a message from Ms. Schuldiner:
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"This has been one of the worst days since we found out about Chuck's illness. He went to Cedars Sinai hospital in Los Angeles, California today for his appointment for the first treatment. Beth, his sister, went with her father's credit cards, power-of-attorney, and a Letter of Intent from Music Care to help with the large expenses of this treatment. Beth was told by the Vice President of Cedars Sinai's comprehensive Care Center, Floyd Frasier, #310-425-0600, that none of these were acceptable to them. The Executive Director, Paul Odea, would not even talk to her. Beth was frantic, asking if Chuck's treatment could be started until she could get the matter resolved. No was the answer. After finally threatening to get her attorney involved and to go to the media, as she had to do when the surgery took place last year in New York, they finally took the cards, allowing the procedure to take place. I am telling you this so all of you will know of the continuing saga of how the American health system is willing to let a person die for the sake of money. My son has never expected charity. For two years, he and Beth have paid over $200,000.00 of their own money, plus the generous donations of his fans and friends, for the treatments for his illness, aware every time that if he does not get the money, he will die. Even when the cash is paid, the attitude of the caregivers and hospitals are one bordering on contempt that he does not have insurance. There is something terribly wrong when a country as great as America will let their citizens die for lack of insurance or money. Unfortunately, we had to have a devastating illness to realize that we are unprotected in many ways. I am asking the people who read this to please get insurance, immediately. This could happen to you if you live in the United States of America. Chuck's illness was caused by a split cell, it is a fluke, not genetic or anything he ate or drank or the air he breathed. That also could happen to any of us. So please, as healthy as you are today, you may, God forbid, desperately need that insurance tomorrow. I want to thank you all for your emails, letters, cards and support you have given Chuck. As in last year, it means so much, not only to Chuck, but to us, his family. Sincerely, Jane Schuldiner." |
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:27
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Originally posted by aneeshm
Che - I want the statistics relating to bankruptcies when the medical system was not socialised . Will you please provide them ? |
The U.S. does not now and has never had socialized medicine, so what you are asking for is already provided in the OP and in the link.
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Flubber
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With a view of the Rockies
Aug 2000
time: 22:27
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Which is why malpractice rates, not pain and suffering, should be capped. It's not the awards that are crippling our medical system, it's the prices that a captive market has to pay. |
Capping rates without limiting payouts would probably make providing such insurance uneconomic . . . so if private industry does not provide it, are you proposing a government run (possibly subsidized) malpractice system?
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
time: 05:27
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Originally posted by Flubber
Capping rates without limiting payouts would probably make providing such insurance uneconomic . . . so if private industry does not provide it, are you proposing a government run (possibly subsidized) malpractice system? |
How does the system work in Canada regarding malpractice? I can't remember...
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Flubber
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With a view of the Rockies
Aug 2000
time: 22:27
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Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
How does the system work in Canada regarding malpractice? I can't remember... |
The CMPA for doctors while government either self-insures or purchases insurance for all the other workers ( nurses, techs etc).
The reality is that when a Canadian surgeon operates, their liability extends only to the things that they themselves do or are responsible for. So drug mixups or a nursing snaffu would place liability on the hospital corporation ( the government) if the doctor could not have prevented the problem.
The CMPA ( Canadian Medical protective Association) "insures" most doctors but it is actually a not for profit organization that represents physicians across Canada with respect to a number of issues. As a physician organization they have an interest in discouraging frivolous claims and I believe they have a reputation in the legal community as an organization that will NEVER pay out unless there is a solid claim.
Fees for membership vary by region but a quick look at their fee schedule shows fees like an insurance premium (plus a few hundred bucks for other costs of running the organization)
Obstetrics --Ontario 86K annually
Intensive care Ontario-- less than 5 K annually
Cardiac Surgery (ont)--21.5 K
Cardiac Surgery (Que)--9.4K
Cardiac Surgery (other--9.3 K
Emergency Medicine Ont- 9K
Emergency Medicine Que-4.5K
Emergency Medicine other-4.4K
Obviously there is a large insurance component and I didn't see why Ontario is so much higher.
Family medicine is less than 5K a year as long as you stay away from obstetrics
Source:http://www.cmpa-acpm.ca/portal/pub_...W_REDUCE&LANG=E
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Flubber
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With a view of the Rockies
Aug 2000
time: 22:27
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Originally posted by Kidicious
It doesn't just depend on what a person wants. What other people want matters too. |
Not to the issue of whether a person gets a high paying job or not. Other people only matter to the extent they change what the person wants.
If a person says thay cannot earn more money because they have to take care of their son . The response is no , thats a choice ( and one I respect btw) but a choice nontheless.
There's nobody out there that could prevent me from going to law school and getting a good job. People I care about could influence me and change what I want but thats different than preventing me. Even someone that fires you is just an obstacle. Why ?? because there are lots of jobs out there that pay well.
Note-- I am not saying everyone can become a multi-millionare or anything. But jobs that provide a good ( what 60 K) to very good (80K) to a very very good ( 100K+), while not commonplace, are not exactly rare either. The very brightest folks will get to those jobs if that is one of their priorities
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Imran Siddiqui
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The Potterverse
Jan 1970
time: 00:27
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Do you really think that awarding someone 2 million dollars versus awarding them 25 million dollars really makes that big of a difference besides putting a financial strain on people who have nothing to do with the case in question? |
Che already answered part of this. However, to reiterate, the limits aren't $2 million (and after appeals VERY FEW people recieve awards of that amount). They are closer to $250,000. And the caps haven't prevented insurance premiums from rising. Legislation specifically targetting insurance premiums have, however.
Also capping damages prevents people with legitimate claims from getting relief. Because of all the work required for a malpractice claim (expert testimony, collecting evidence, appeals), it isn't worth a lawyer's time if the award will be under $1 million. The lawyer will LOSE money on a malpractice case if it is less than that.
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Capping rates without limiting payouts would probably make providing such insurance uneconomic . . . so if private industry does not provide it, are you proposing a government run (possibly subsidized) malpractice system? |
Actually, IIRC, Kerry had a plan where the government would subsidize the catastrophic awards (above a certain limit and the government would come in).
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03-02-2005 12:57
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That means you lose both limbs, since the other one still has to come off. Imagine only getting $250,000 and never being able to walk again or never be able to touch something with your hands again. That's a crime against humanity.
. Some people want careers that stretch their intellect. Others seek a low-stress situation where they can relax. Many people have motivators other than money. ( This is obvious every time that Mrs Flubber refuses an overtime shift when there are no impediments to working it)
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