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There is not natural order that makes lazy people poor and hard working people rich. Sometimes lazy people become rich, because they don't care for work. Sometimes hard working people don't care about much about money, and don't mind work. And do you even ask people it they are hard working at job interviews. You are more concerned about their skills.

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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious There is not natural order that makes lazy people poor and hard working people rich. Sometimes lazy people become rich, because they don't care for work.

Again full agreement. There is also no natural order that makes a rich person any more selfish than a poorer one. Or do you hold that poorer people are more virtuous simply by being poorer

quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Sometimes hard working people don't care about much about money, and don't mind work.

Which is why I have repeatedly stated my view that hardworking skilled people generally get ahead (succeed) financially if that is a priority for them. They may choose to minister to the sick in a third world country. But I don't think you can fault the system for failing to provide financial wealth to someone that never sought it.

	09-02-2005 22:50									#303
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All of you guys quit yer *****ing. I'm working 168 hrs a week.

	09-02-2005 22:51									#304
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You asked for it. If I remember, I told you so.

	09-02-2005 22:54									#305
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I'm not getting the sympathy I deserve. Where's Dissident?

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quote: Originally posted by Flubber Again full agreement. There is also no natural order that makes a rich person any more selfish than a poorer one. Or do you hold that poorer people are more virtuous simply by being poorer

Who said there was such an order? How is that relevent?

quote: Which is why I have repeatedly stated my view that hardworking skilled people generally get ahead (succeed) financially if that is a priority for them. They may choose to minister to the sick in a third world country. But I don't think you can fault the system for failing to provide financial wealth to someone that never sought it.

You are again saying that people who are poor either want to be that way or they are lazy. There is NO natural order to society that makes that so. Society simply labels poor people lazy.

	09-02-2005 22:56									#307
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Lonestar,

How long have you been at sea? Have some people on the ship begun to do very strange things?

	09-02-2005 22:59									#308
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Lonestar, How long have you been at sea? Have some people on the ship begun to do very strange things?

Everyone I work with sits in front of computer screens that OSHA claims "emits dangerous levels of radiation". What do you think?


Actually, I'm currently shitfaced in Bahrain right now.

	09-02-2005 23:59									#309
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious You are again saying that people who are poor either want to be that way or they are lazy. There is NO natural order to society that makes that so. Society simply labels poor people lazy.

MY quote was this "hardworking skilled people generally get ahead "--

You obviously have no idea how to read since you turned something that is "more often than not" true into an absolutism. As I explained to you before I don't believe in absolutes when we are talking human behavior. There are always exceptions. Thats why finding a bright hardworking poor person who prioritizes money and who has faced no unusual misfortune doesn't refute me. Refutation would require showing there are many such persons.


AS for who comprise "poor people", its a whole bunch of people but very few of them would be hardworking ,smart and have marketable skills unless there were some unusual factors involved or the person did not give money any priority.

Here it seems that anyone that can take a plumbers or electricians trade can be making 60-80K pretty quickly. I call that getting ahead-- don't you??

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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar Actually, I'm currently shitfaced in Bahrain right now.

Wow! Bahrain! Where else have you been? Are you going to any good ports?

	10-02-2005 00:05									#311
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber MY quote was this "hardworking skilled people generally get ahead "--

So you go around calling poor people and communists lazy? There's no hope for you. I should just as well waste my time arguing with Ned about what terrorism is.

	10-02-2005 00:12									#312
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious So you go around calling poor people and communists lazy? There's no hope for you. I should just as well waste my time arguing with Ned about what terrorism is.

I go to lengths to explain how I am NOT saying x and you respond " so you say x !!!!"

I seriously doubt your reading comprehension skills.

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quote: Originally posted by Flubber I go to lengths to explain how I am NOT saying x and you respond " so you say x !!!!" I seriously doubt your reading comprehension skills.

I don't care what you are saying dude. Actions speak louder than words. You keep saying communists and poor people are lazy! I say you are a closet racist too.

	10-02-2005 00:31									#314
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious I don't care what you are saying dude. Actions speak louder than words. You keep saying communists and poor people are lazy! I say you are a closet racist too.

	10-02-2005 00:32									#315
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I'm too happy to care

Oh well time to head to work!!

	10-02-2005 00:33									#316
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber I'm too happy to care Oh well time to head to work!!

sad

	10-02-2005 01:56									#317
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious sad

whats sad?? That I am too happy personally to get bothered by bullcrap insults from someone who's opinion I don't respect anyway?

That if I say something is not black it gets boring to have you continually trumpet "Flubber says its white and I don't care that you explain that it can be red, or yellow or pink or green because I know what you really mean"

Or was it sad that I was heading to work . .. doing a job I like and making money despite that darned system designed to make someone with a modest starting position like myself fail??

Sometimes its fun playing your word games but if you plan to TOTALLY misconstrue what I write, that gets tedious fast.

	10-02-2005 03:45									#318
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber whats sad?? That I am too happy personally to get bothered by bullcrap insults from someone who's opinion I don't respect anyway?

I see. I'm insulting you when you called me lazy. I'm insulting you because I called you a bigot for being a bigot, when you called me lazy based on no information at all except that I am a communist.

quote: Sometimes its fun playing your word games but if you plan to TOTALLY misconstrue what I write, that gets tedious fast.

Good don't talk to me anymore. You put a sick feeling in my stomach. You are so stupid. Look at the communists that you know. How can you call us lazy? We are educated and we work when we have the chance. Do give us a bunch of your bigoted crap.

	10-02-2005 04:12									#319
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar I'm not getting the sympathy I deserve. Where's Dissident?

I was working 12 hours a day 6 days a week in Iraq. Heck, even our Sunday off had to be fought for or else they'd take that away as well. It sucks man and I feel your pain.

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He's probably working 7 days a week and maybe more than 12 hours a day though.

	10-02-2005 04:35									#321
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious I see. I'm insulting you when you called me lazy. I'm insulting you because I called you a bigot for being a bigot, when you called me lazy based on no information at all except that I am a communist.

I challenge you to find a post where I said any of that EXCEPT my obviously sarcastic one in response to yours which I think you called all capitalists selfish . .. and even then I gave it as an example of sterotypical bullcrap-- (like when you call capitalists baby-eaters) IIRC what I said was "if we are going to be namecalling"-- if you didn't understand that I again invite you to work on your reading comprehension

So I have never called you "lazy"-- period

You do tend to wallow in self-confirming ideology that would deny ANY personal responsibility for any personal circumstances-- take from that what you wish. You do seem to be very sensitive about the "lazy"term though.

quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Good don't talk to me anymore. You put a sick feeling in my stomach. You are so stupid. Look at the communists that you know. How can you call us lazy? We are educated and we work when we have the chance. Do give us a bunch of your bigoted crap.

First I lump you with no one else. I haven't exactly seen very many people jumping in to defend your reasoning, logic and comprehension , although there are those that applaud your ultimate aims. I am actually very impressed by what I know about some of the other people that support communist views but that is irrelevant to any thoughts I might have about you.




Oh and kid I will never go away just because you want me to . I like poly and am having a great day/month/year and will come here whenever I want . I am generally amused by our exchanges . . .

Lie and misconstrue all you want and you can't touch my good mood-- There is nothing you can say that has even begun to wipe the ****-eating smile off my face--


Oh and kid thats twice that you have pretty much lost it and resorted to juvenile name-calling-- real compelling debating skills there sir!!

	10-02-2005 04:44									#322
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You suck Flubber.

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quote: Originally posted by Flubber If we are just name-calling I could say "The story of left wing ideology is lazy people who have less look at those that have more and are envious. It is irrelevant that a person worked twice as much to get twice as much so they define fairness as being "I get what he has" so they take from those that work to give to the lazy". Thats about as accurate as what you wrote kid

Kid for your ease of reference

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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious You suck Flubber.

shall we now engage in a rousing debate of

"am not"
"are to"

	10-02-2005 04:54									#325
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I'm lazy but I just don't get the chance to be

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Btw, I have no hard feelings about rich people. Most rich people know that they are not better than anyone else. They know why they are rich. It's people like Flubber, who think that just because they have a little bit more money than other people that they are better. Communists, like most rich people, know that this isn't true, and want to change things, so people like Flubber also claim to be better than us somehow, regardless if we are poor or not. They figure that since we take up for poor people, that we are either poor, or like them in whatever way they think people who don't have as much as them are.

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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Btw, I have no hard feelings about rich people. Most rich people know that they are not better than anyone else. They know why they are rich. It's people like Flubber, who think that just because they have a little bit more money than other people that they are better. Communists, like most rich people, know that this isn't true, and want to change things, so people like Flubber also claim to be better than us somehow, regardless if we are poor or not. They figure that since we take up for poor people, that we are either poor, or like them in whatever way they think people who don't have as much as them are.

Every word of this that attributes attitudes and beliefs to me is completely false

But then again why would kidicious care about the reality

	10-02-2005 04:59									#329
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Btw, I have no hard feelings about rich people. Most rich people know that they are not better than anyone else. They know why they are rich. It's people like Flubber, who think that just because they have a little bit more money than other people that they are better. Communists, like most rich people, know that this isn't true, and want to change things, so people like Flubber also claim to be better than us somehow, regardless if we are poor or not. They figure that since we take up for poor people, that we are either poor, or like them in whatever way they think people who don't have as much as them are.

Ah yes, the phenomenon of the social climber. I remember at Oxford that people from state school were generally cool, people from middling private schools were stuck up dickheads and people from the really posh private schools (Eton or Harrow for example) were cool too

	10-02-2005 05:01									#330
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison I'm lazy but I just don't get the chance to be

According to the dictionary all people are lazy, because they are resistant to work. That's why you have to pay them to do it. But people like Flubber use the word to put people down who aren't like them.