10-02-2005 05:03									#331
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious According to the dictionary all people are lazy, because they are resistant to work. That's why you have to pay them to do it. But people like Flubber use the word to put people down who aren't like them.

Kidicious-- I know that Goebbels said repeat a lie often enough and people would believe it but I doubt that applies to poly where people can read what I wrote and see that you are lying


Edit-- I find it amusing to be called rich-- thats your assumption and a false one-- all I say is that I am working hard and getting ahead-- so go ahead an paint me as a lazy capitalist sitting back smoking a cigar and reaping his stock dividends-- that would be about as accurate as the rest of what you are saying

	10-02-2005 05:07									#332
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Ah yes, the phenomenon of the social climber. I remember at Oxford that people from state school were generally cool, people from middling private schools were stuck up dickheads and people from the really posh private schools (Eton or Harrow for example) were cool too

Fine-- I was the kid at public school as will my children be -- so what??

	10-02-2005 05:09									#333
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber Kidicious-- I know that Goebbels said repeat a lie often enough and people would believe it but I doubt that applies to poly where people can read what I wrote and see that you are lying

I'm ****ing sick of you making personal attacks on me! You don't ****ing know me. Why don't you just knock it off? If you don't expect to continue to be called a bigot.

	10-02-2005 05:13									#334
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious I'm ****ing sick of you making personal attacks on me! You don't ****ing know me. Why don't you just knock it off? If you don't expect to continue to be called a bigot.

I do know you are lying about me and don't read very well. THats all I am saying about you.




Anyhoo cheerio I have to go make dinner for baby flubber. Its been a hoot.

	10-02-2005 05:21									#335
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I don't want to read anything that you write, but when you judge me according to the group that I'm in I'm going to respond. Honestly, I could care less about anything else you have to say.

	10-02-2005 05:33									#336
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber Fine-- I was the kid at public school as will my children be -- so what??

Defensive...I didn't even know you're background, but it does seem to demonstrate something - privelege breeds privelege...

	10-02-2005 06:20									#337
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious I don't want to read anything that you write, but when you judge me according to the group that I'm in I'm going to respond. Honestly, I could care less about anything else you have to say.

1. Based on your comments you didn't read what I wrote before so why change?

2. My only judgements on you are that you personally are deliberately misconstruing my previous posts. Thats you kidicious and no one else.

3. I make no judgment about "communists" and challenge you again to quote the post. I already quoted my obviously sarcastic one . . . Find another -- any post that says what you purport I say and quote it in its entirety

	10-02-2005 07:12									#338
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Defensive...I didn't even know you're background, but it does seem to demonstrate something - privelege breeds privelege...

actually I just wanted you to think I was cool

Seriously though-- saying I went to public school in my town was kind of like saying I breathe oxygen-- there was nothing else -- So no defensiveness-- I just have no frame of reference when it comes to private schools

	10-02-2005 09:04									#339
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious I'm ****ing sick of you making personal attacks on me! You don't ****ing know me. Why don't you just knock it off? If you don't expect to continue to be called a bigot.

Dude, buy a new gasket. You seem to have blown one.

	10-02-2005 09:11									#340
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Kid gets angry when he's losing.




(this is a cue for someone to make the observation that he always gets angry)

	10-02-2005 09:27									#341
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Kid is one of 2 posters who regularly have universes named after them.

	10-02-2005 09:27									#342
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Kid gets angry when he's losing.

There's no debate taking place here Jaquar.

	10-02-2005 10:37									#343
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Oh, btw... thought this MAY be of interest .

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4248845.stm

quote: French MPs vote out 35-hour week French lawmakers have voted in favour of a controversial bill to increase the country's 35-hour working week. The proposal backed by a large majority allows private-sector employees to work up to 48 hours a week. The vote followed weeks of protests from trade unions fearing the move may empower companies instead of unions to dictate working hours. President Chirac's government hopes the Senate will approve the bill next month, after which it would become law. System revamp Observers say the 370-180 vote underscores the government's determination to revamp a system that it blames for a stubbornly high unemployment rate and rising labour costs. French unemployment figures stand at about 10% of the work force amid complaints from private sector companies that the existing system makes them uncompetitive. It means management will decide the working time, not the employees Dominique Barbet Chief economist, BNP Paribas Other than allowing people to work for up to 48 hours in a week - the EU approved maximum - the proposal also relaxes the overtime limit from 180 hours per year to 220. Workers' groups, however, are threatening further demonstrations over the plans, arguing that the proposal was the first step towards undermining a social security system consolidated by President Jacques Chirac's socialist predecessor. Trade unions are taking heart from a recent poll suggesting 69% of people were against longer working hours, correspondents say. More than 300,000 people marched in protests at the weekend, according to an interior ministry count. 'Weak unions' However, the unions' power to call strikes in the event of the plans going ahead is limited, believes Dominique Barbet, chief economist at bank BNP Paribas. "Only 8% of French workers are members of a trade union. Even if they look strong, they are not strong," he told BBC World TV. "This will mean the end of the shortened working time. "It means management will decide the working time, not the employees." Socialist MPs managed to force the vote to be delayed by a day on Tuesday. But Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin says the government will not be deterred. The BBC's Caroline Wyatt in Paris says Mr Raffarin's current slogan of "work more to earn more", seems to have become the battle cry in a bitter ideological fight between those who want to protect the French social model and the reformers.

	10-02-2005 10:41									#344
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Nobody answered my question, except chegits with his usual "capitalists are evil so of course they'll force us to work 24/7 if they can even if it means that we'll be less productive and they make less profits" -ad hominem

	10-02-2005 10:46									#345
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious There's no debate taking place here Jaquar.

Obviously not since tou can't meet my challenge-- what's the problem ? all my posts are still there-- just reference the one where I say what you indicate

I am particulary interested to see indications that I am a -- what was it-- " a closet racist"

Funny that you can call me a bigot, stupid and a racist , I say nothing personal except that you are a liar or lack reading skills and yet you are the one acting all offended. Kidaverse indeed !!!

	10-02-2005 11:00									#346
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http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0...6-397494,0.html

the UMP (the party of Nicolas Sarkozy, a bit of a maverick, he was the minister of edcuation, i think now hes foreign minister??) voted for the increase in maximum working hours, as did the UDF. both are right wing. the PS and the PCF voted against. the final vote in the National Aseembly was 370 to 180. The bill was introdcued by the UMP. Jacques Chirac was for the bill. So was Jean Pierre Raffarin (the PM)

UMP = Union pour un Mouvement Populaire (Union for a Populist Movement)
UDF = Union pour la Démocratie Francaise (Union for French Democracy)
PS = Parti Socialiste (Socialist Party)
PCF = Parti Communiste Francaise (French Communist Party)

Frankly, I dont think unemployment goes very far from 10%. i think France needs to suspend, decrease, or change the amount of money they give to unemployed people.

	10-02-2005 15:01									#347
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As long as the solidarity is there the unions are not required. I hope they do strike in the face of the French state trying to erode their hard-won rights...

	10-02-2005 15:03									#348
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia Frankly, I dont think unemployment goes very far from 10%. i think France needs to suspend, decrease, or change the amount of money they give to unemployed people.

Yet still allow profits to soar off the backs of their employees? Unemployment needs to be sorted if so high, but why should the working class of France be punished for capitalism's inadequacy?

	10-02-2005 15:07									#349
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Yeah, those Frogs would be better off living in Moscow of Beijing. ****ing capitalists screwing things up all the time. If it weren't for them we'd all have nice cushy peasant jobs and none of us would have to worry about unemployment.

	10-02-2005 15:22									#350
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Still all the dumping grounds of capitalism that they use to threaten us about 'where the work will be going'. It's not just one country affected by it, it's the whole world. And it's very much on the basis of divide and conquer. Look around you! If you think capitalism is so lovely and works so well, go to some African states and see what it has done to them.

You know, the rights you have have been hard fought for, yet people like you are so flippant at the thought of fighting when they are snatched away. Where do you draw the line? Do you allow it to continue? The American working class has, and look where that has lead, and for that matter, is leading...

	10-02-2005 15:30									#351
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People like me are flippant? Listen, pup, you don't hold a corner on sacrifice in all your twenty-some tender years.

As for where things might be going, I would bet a **** load that nobody has ever had it as good as the average French or American worker. And they got it that good under capitalism. So consider well what you wish for.

	10-02-2005 15:34									#352
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither People like me are flippant? Listen, pup, you don't hold a corner on sacrifice in all your twenty-some tender years.

Don't you ever dare patronise me, you know nothing about my life or what goes on in it

quote: As for where things might be going, I would bet a **** load that nobody has ever had it as good as the average French or American worker. And they got it that good under capitalism. So consider well what you wish for.

And it could be better for the whole damn world. Stop thinking about your one little corner of the world because there are people in abject poverty out there. People won the rights they have now. The right to vote (not like that seems to matter a jot now anyway), the right to shorter working weeks, etc, etc, yet you seem to stand loyally by your capitalist establishment when it tries to strip these away. They need to be defended, like they have been fought for in the past or they will soon be eroded away. Again, you can chose to bury your head in the sand, but don't ever dare patronise me.

	10-02-2005 15:37									#353
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You're a fine one to talk of patronising.

Oh, and as soon as you come up with a better system, I'll listen. Until then, you're just another head beaking off about nothing in particular. Nothing much new there from the left.

	10-02-2005 15:39									#354
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither You're a fine one to talk of patronising. Oh, and as soon as you come up with a better system, I'll listen. Until then, you're just another head beaking off about nothing in particular. Nothing much new there from the left.

Am I now? Because someone who knows nothing about this stuff apart from what his daddy does comes sticking his nose in? You worship your neighbour and it's propaganda machine and see where it takes you in the fullness of time.

	10-02-2005 15:40									#355
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And what do you base your wisdom on, oh wise one?

	10-02-2005 15:41									#356
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And you likewise?

	10-02-2005 15:44									#357
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I don't accuse poeple of being weened by daddy without some backup, that's a start, oh patronising one.

I don't pull economic theory out of my ass on a wishful thought either. What do you do aside from engage in wishful thinking?

	10-02-2005 15:47									#358
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Ah, so now it's insults now you can't get your own way. Go and crawl back in your little hole.

	10-02-2005 15:49									#359
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Who began with the insults? Can't stand the heat? Don't fire up the kitchen.

	10-02-2005 15:51									#360
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Certainly not me. Now go away you annoying little cretin.