06-02-2005 05:50									#91
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Try sell that gadget to a french worker

Damn French workers, not seeing the brilliance of the Foreman Grill

	06-02-2005 05:51									#92
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Aren't you glad you voted Republican, so you have the "freedom" to work all that overtime.

Yep...and glad too that I have all that extra money to pump into the economy too! I had the lowest tax liability in years last year.

	06-02-2005 05:53									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Odin Most ads are about getting you to by something even if you don't really need it.

"Don't really need it?" You don't need a lot of things. Things you want but don't need are called luxuries. How can having more luxuries be exactly bad?

	06-02-2005 05:54									#94
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO Yep...and glad too that I have all that extra money to pump into the economy too!

Or just contribute to conspicuous consumption, you sheep.

	06-02-2005 05:56									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker How can having more luxuries be exactly bad?

Try moving.

	06-02-2005 06:00									#96
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I have. Twice. They have these big trucks, you see...

	06-02-2005 06:00									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker "Don't really need it?" You don't need a lot of things. Things you want but don't need are called luxuries. How can having more luxuries be exactly bad?

Having luxuries is one thing, but being obsessed with luxuries in another, and that is what conspicuous consumption is.

	06-02-2005 06:00									#98
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So? Why not let them?

	06-02-2005 06:01									#99
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Everyone in industrial countries are obsessed with luxuries! All you really NEED is shelter and food.

	06-02-2005 06:10									#100
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quote: shelter and food.

Let's go for umbrella drinks then - They provide both...

	06-02-2005 06:13									#101
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Try moving.

Try corporate relocation! They are awesome!

	06-02-2005 06:33									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin That said the French work more hours then the Dutch. The dutch are the real slackers.

Yet per capita we are among the wealthiest countries in the world and are also at or near the top of the ranking in terms of welfare, happiness and life expentency. We must be doing something right

35 hrs a week

30 hrs a week

	06-02-2005 06:52									#103
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO Yep...and glad too that I have all that extra money to pump into the economy too! I had the lowest tax liability in years last year.

Of someone else worked those hours they would also pump the money into the economy.

	06-02-2005 06:54									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Aroo? What in the Hell are you talking about?

Do you think it's a coincidence that people that have to work favor higher wages and a smaller work week?

	06-02-2005 06:57									#105
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*whoosh*

	06-02-2005 06:58									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Do you think it's a coincidence that people that have to work favor higher wages and a smaller work week?

DanS doesn't work? Where does that come from?

And people favor lower taxes and more services. Doesn't mean its a good idea.

	06-02-2005 07:04									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui DanS doesn't work? Where does that come from? And people favor lower taxes and more services. Doesn't mean its a good idea.

No, but when there is persistant unemployment it's logical that less working hours is THE solution. You can't just get people back to work at the same level of hours. There's been a fundamental change in the economy.

	06-02-2005 07:06									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus 35 hrs a week 30 hrs a week

25 min a year

	06-02-2005 07:08									#109
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There has been persistant unemployment for generations. In fact in this era there is less unemployment than in the past. I just don't see this fundamental change that makes the 40 hour work week obsolete. Automation of tasks that workers used to do is as old as the printing press.

	06-02-2005 07:15									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui There has been persistant unemployment for generations. In fact in this era there is less unemployment than in the past. I just don't see this fundamental change that makes the 40 hour work week obsolete. Automation of tasks that workers used to do is as old as the printing press.

World unemployment is increasing. Once there was no limit to the work week. If you look ate the implementation of the 40 hour work week, it didn't create unemployment. It did just the opposite.

	06-02-2005 07:19									#111
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quote: World unemployment is increasing.

Uh huh.. is it? Do you have statistics to back that up. I'd figure with the increased globalization and companies moving to the third world unemployment is decreasing. And furthermore, how does that apply to the US situation? Why would world unemployment have any bearing on US work hours?

quote: If you look ate the implementation of the 40 hour work week, it didn't create unemployment. It did just the opposite.

It's not like we have 25% unemployment. With 5-6% unemployment being our 'persistent' number how important is lowering that number?

	06-02-2005 07:28									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: World unemployment is increasing. Uh huh.. is it? Do you have statistics to back that up. I'd figure with the increased globalization and companies moving to the third world unemployment is decreasing. And furthermore, how does that apply to the US situation? Why would world unemployment have any bearing on US work hours?

China has over 10% unemployment. A lot of the jobs created there are very productive. Other populated countries have very high unemployment rates because of globalization, industrialization and very long hours worked.

I'm looking for statistics.

quote: quote: If you look ate the implementation of the 40 hour work week, it didn't create unemployment. It did just the opposite. It's not like we have 25% unemployment. With 5-6% unemployment being our 'persistent' number how important is lowering that number?

Until the 90s you see a long run increase in the unemployment rate. The 90s were an anomaly, but it's the world rate that matters when you have such globalization.

	06-02-2005 07:46									#113
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quote: China has over 10% unemployment. A lot of the jobs created there are very productive. Other populated countries have very high unemployment rates because of globalization, industrialization and very long hours worked.

Is subsistence farming counted as gainful employment? So China has the same unemployment as Germany, what's yer point? Globalization and industrialization reduce unemployment, by taking farmers who only farm to feed themselves into making some gains for the country.

quote: Until the 90s you see a long run increase in the unemployment rate. The 90s were an anomaly, but it's the world rate that matters when you have such globalization.

No it doesn't. National unemployment matters. There are huge structural changes which make sure that US unemployment will be generally less than, say, France's. And why are the 90s and anomoly and the 00's not? At the end of the 80s we had around 6% unemployment.

	06-02-2005 08:01									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: China has over 10% unemployment. A lot of the jobs created there are very productive. Other populated countries have very high unemployment rates because of globalization, industrialization and very long hours worked. Is subsistence farming counted as gainful employment? So China has the same unemployment as Germany, what's yer point? Globalization and industrialization reduce unemployment, by taking farmers who only farm to feed themselves into making some gains for the country.

Industrialization increases unemployment. When Farming is mechanized workers are displaced and go to look for work in the city. If your working hours are too high in the city unemployment will be the result.

quote: quote: Until the 90s you see a long run increase in the unemployment rate. The 90s were an anomaly, but it's the world rate that matters when you have such globalization. No it doesn't. National unemployment matters. There are huge structural changes which make sure that US unemployment will be generally less than, say, France's. And why are the 90s and anomoly and the 00's not? At the end of the 80s we had around 6% unemployment.

The unemployment rate will be lower where you generally have lower labor costs. Sure national unemployment rates matter, but the point is that if nations just have a race to the bottom there will be high unemployment AND stagnant wages.

	06-02-2005 08:04									#115
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO Yep...and glad too that I have all that extra money to pump into the economy too! I had the lowest tax liability in years last year.

republicans. Explain why the greatest economic times happen under democratic presidents. It can't be a coincidence. I have learned to face the truth, democratic presidents aren't as bad as I used to think.

	06-02-2005 08:06									#116
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quote: republicans. Explain why the greatest economic times happen under democratic presidents. It can't be a coincidence. I have learned to face the truth, democratic presidents aren't as bad as I used to think.

Cuz gouverning is not as difficult as it looks. Hear what big business wants then listen to what the church wants, then do the exact opposite... et voila.

	06-02-2005 08:08									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker No it isn't. It's perfect evidence that one can work much more than 35 hours a week without horribly debilitating effects

You're missing a very obvious debilitating effect: He's working 50+ hours a week.

	06-02-2005 08:09									#118
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people who work over 40 hours a week are selfish.

	06-02-2005 08:10									#119
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Yay for circular reasoning.

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	06-02-2005 08:12									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Industrialization increases unemployment.

If you're short-sided enough only to look at the most immediate effects possible. As we've mentioned, we've been industrializing for over a century and unemployment has probably gone down.

quote: The unemployment rate will be lower where you generally have lower labor costs.

Africa. Pwned.