08-04-2005 23:30									#421
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Just trying to think of bonkers characters -Jam

Duke is the expert at that.

	08-04-2005 23:40									#422
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I assume centurion Tenga doesnt want Garfunks head? He told me to kill a bloody hard goblin, and I did just that......poxy centurions. I would give him a right good twatting if it wasnt for him being invunerable and all

	09-04-2005 00:15									#423
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...her being invunerable and all...

Give the head to either Captain Yogi or Archdruid McPhee for DA PHAT REWARDZ.

Tenga won't take a head and let you into Eastorling untill I'm finished making Eastorling really kicking rad 'n' cool.

-Jam

	09-04-2005 01:04									#424
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Jamski, yeah those look like good builds while if I had one complaint about my build its that she has so few skill points. Paladins onoly get 2 + INT Mod per level so this is a skill weak character. I went with a human to get the bonus feat and the extra skill points because I really needed them. Inrestrospect the Sorcerer should be the first level then I'd get 7 more skill points.

The alternate build, which would likely be better in MP or PvP, would be a Fighter/Bard/RDD. That build has way more skill points & feats but lacks the clerical abilities of the Paladin and has fewer spells. Still the idea of a character with a half dozen extra feats (enough to get whirl wind attack which would be devistating with my improved critical) and 100-150 extra skill points is pretty attractive. Still, for single player a Paladin/Sorcerer/RDD is pretty damn good.

	09-04-2005 09:50									#425
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Is anyone interested in an online game? I'd like to see if we couldn't get a party here at Apolyton and maybe go through a few modules or even one of the official games.

	09-04-2005 10:31									#426
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We tried this before but couldnt work out how to host a game If you can figure it out then I am sure there will be plenty of us who would love to play

	09-04-2005 11:29									#427
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I can't even figure out how to get the MP version to work without the game crashing. Seriously, it can't be my system since every gaqme I own other the NWN works fine on MP but the two times I've tried to login for a MP game the whole thing just crashes. It's weird since I can play SP without a hitch.

	09-04-2005 11:44									#428
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I was visiting Bioware's NWN2 forums and so far it is looking like it will be little more then a minor face lift of the current engine with a few more skills, prestige classes, and characfgter races added it. Well, they will toss in Psyonics which I've never liked but there should be no revolutionary or even evolutionary changes. This is unfortunate.

The basic game engine was introduced with Baldur's gate 1 and hasn't changed much since. True, they've added in more tile sets and neat features like hidden doors (How on Earth could they consider building D&D games without secret or hidden doors?) but they still have serious issues with MP. As discusion in this thread has shown the process to host a MP game isn't the most intuitive and could stand some improvement. Other game manufacturers such as Paradox Interactive allow players to host thier own game as long as they know their own IP address (which is easily found using standard windows features). Why can't Bioware do this? I know their engine is pushing 5 years old but evolution is the key to staying competitive and there are numerous other RPGs on the market which offer easier to use and more immersive systems.

It's just my $0.02 but I'd say that's where Bioware needs to concentrate if they want to increase their core audience. The future is online MP and right now Bioware is no where near first place.

	09-04-2005 12:01									#429
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Folderol Question.

It's been months since I last played and having reinstalled NWN, I was wondering how much has changed in terms of items?

	09-04-2005 12:43									#430
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I was visiting Bioware's NWN2 forums and so far it is looking like it will be little more then a minor face lift of the current engine with a few more skills, prestige classes, and characfgter races added it. Well, they will toss in Psyonics which I've never liked but there should be no revolutionary or even evolutionary changes. This is unfortunate. The basic game engine was introduced with Baldur's gate 1 and hasn't changed much since. True, they've added in more tile sets and neat features like hidden doors (How on Earth could they consider building D&D games without secret or hidden doors?) but they still have serious issues with MP. As discusion in this thread has shown the process to host a MP game isn't the most intuitive and could stand some improvement. Other game manufacturers such as Paradox Interactive allow players to host thier own game as long as they know their own IP address (which is easily found using standard windows features). Why can't Bioware do this? I know their engine is pushing 5 years old but evolution is the key to staying competitive and there are numerous other RPGs on the market which offer easier to use and more immersive systems. It's just my $0.02 but I'd say that's where Bioware needs to concentrate if they want to increase their core audience. The future is online MP and right now Bioware is no where near first place.

I should mention that even though NWN2 is on Bioware forums, it's not actually being developed by bioware. It used to be on the Obsidian forums, I don't know why they moved it. Obsidian is developing NWN2, not bioware.

Bioware is working on Jade Empire console game (already released) and Dragon Age.

	09-04-2005 13:05									#431
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quote: Originally posted by Qilue Folderol Question. It's been months since I last played and having reinstalled NWN, I was wondering how much has changed in terms of items?

I'm not sure when you last played but HotU has tons of items, classes, skills, feats, and prestige classes which were not in NWN. I bought NWN Palatium Edition because it was cheaper then buying both of the expansion packs plus you got several Bioware modules included. You still have to buy a few if you want to have all of them but all in all it is a good purchase.

Game play wise much has changed. The basic interface is the same but their are now secret doors, new skills, new feats, even new prestige classess. You will find the characters you built in the OC or in SoU are no longer maximized so you will need to build new PCs. The extra features in the engine are well worth the effort though as long as you are willing to spend the time.

	09-04-2005 15:25									#432
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quote: Originally posted by Snotty We tried this before but couldnt work out how to host a game If you can figure it out then I am sure there will be plenty of us who would love to play

Even though I posted lots of times to explain what the group needed to do.

	09-04-2005 15:26									#433
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I'm not sure when you last played but HotU has tons of items, classes, skills, feats, and prestige classes which were not in NWN. I bought NWN Palatium Edition because it was cheaper then buying both of the expansion packs plus you got several Bioware modules included. You still have to buy a few if you want to have all of them but all in all it is a good purchase. Game play wise much has changed. The basic interface is the same but their are now secret doors, new skills, new feats, even new prestige classess. You will find the characters you built in the OC or in SoU are no longer maximized so you will need to build new PCs. The extra features in the engine are well worth the effort though as long as you are willing to spend the time.

She asked a question about Folderol. Folderol is an online server run by Jamski and others, so you didn't answer at all.

	09-04-2005 17:33									#434
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quote: Originally posted by Qilue Folderol Question. It's been months since I last played and having reinstalled NWN, I was wondering how much has changed in terms of items?

Well... I'd estimate there's at least been 30 or 40 new items a month over the last few months, some hidden very nicely, some in stores, many on monsters. Was there any specific type of item you wanted to know about? I'd rather not give out huge lists, half the fun is fining what there is to be found

I uploaded 14 new areas on the Easter weekend, so they'll definitely be new

-Jam

	09-04-2005 17:36									#435
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quote: I was visiting Bioware's NWN2 forums and so far it is looking like it will be little more then a minor face lift of the current engine with a few more skills, prestige classes, and characfgter races added it. Well, they will toss in Psyonics which I've never liked but there should be no revolutionary or even evolutionary changes. This is unfortunate. The basic game engine was introduced with Baldur's gate 1 and hasn't changed much since. True, they've added in more tile sets and neat features like hidden doors (How on Earth could they consider building D&D games without secret or hidden doors?) but they still have serious issues with MP. As discusion in this thread has shown the process to host a MP game isn't the most intuitive and could stand some improvement. Other game manufacturers such as Paradox Interactive allow players to host thier own game as long as they know their own IP address (which is easily found using standard windows features). Why can't Bioware do this? I know their engine is pushing 5 years old but evolution is the key to staying competitive and there are numerous other RPGs on the market which offer easier to use and more immersive systems. It's just my $0.02 but I'd say that's where Bioware needs to concentrate if they want to increase their core audience. The future is online MP and right now Bioware is no where near first place.

Thank god they're not trying to reinvent the wheel. I'll be more than happy with a simple touch-up job on NWN.

-Jam

	09-04-2005 17:42									#436
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Is there a decent kukri yet?

	09-04-2005 18:17									#437
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Well... I'd estimate there's at least been 30 or 40 new items a month over the last few months, some hidden very nicely, some in stores, many on monsters. Was there any specific type of item you wanted to know about? I'd rather not give out huge lists, half the fun is fining what there is to be found I uploaded 14 new areas on the Easter weekend, so they'll definitely be new -Jam

I wasn't so much after specifics, rather have any items changed?

Also, when will you be adding some nice high level kukris?

	09-04-2005 18:23									#438
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quote: Originally posted by Qilue Also, when will you be adding some nice high level kukris?

Now that's a good question.

	09-04-2005 22:26									#439
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I'm thinking of making all the Kukris cursed

	10-04-2005 01:39									#440
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Are lots of people specializing in them brcause of their extended critical range?

	10-04-2005 02:47									#441
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski I'm thinking of making all the Kukris cursed

Good start.

	10-04-2005 02:55									#442
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Are lots of people specializing in them brcause of their extended critical range?

Yes, the cheezy buggers

Ok, new monsters submitted so far by 'polytonians = 0
New weapons submitted so far = 0

If you really can't use the toolset, post the stats and ablities and the identified and unidentified descriptions of the objects.

-Jam

	10-04-2005 02:58									#443
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Yes, the cheezy buggers

Unless you've changed Folderol a lot since I left you can't possibly call it cheesy. You were (are?) far better off specialising in the overpowered greatsword, longsword and axe based weapons you can find quite easily. The kukri +3 (and the one you added in the exotic weapon shop that was slightly better) paled in comparison.

Bad game balance I say.

	10-04-2005 03:18									#444
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Using two long swords works for me especially since there are so many cool long swords in the game.

	10-04-2005 12:32									#445
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Yes, the cheezy buggers Ok, new monsters submitted so far by 'polytonians = 0 New weapons submitted so far = 0 If you really can't use the toolset, post the stats and ablities and the identified and unidentified descriptions of the objects. -Jam

Some I created for my own personal use.


Autumn Moon (No ID'ed description yet)

Short Bow
Attack Bonus +6
Mighty +6
Unlimited Ammunition: Arrow Ammo: +5 Enhancement to Damage


Divine Wind (No ID'ed description yet)

Katana
Enhancement +2
Holy Avenger
Keen


Holy Defender (No ID'ed description yet)

Short Sword
Enhancement +2
Holy Avenger
Use Limitation: Racial Type: Gnome
Use Limitation: Racial Type: Halfling


Witchblade (No ID'ed description yet)

Dagger
Haste
Regeneration +4
Saving Throw Bonus: Universal +3


Yin (No ID'ed description yet)

Kukri
Damage Bonus: Cold 1d6 Damage
Enhancement Bonus +6
Keen

Yang (No ID'ed description yet)

Kukri
Damage Bonus: Fire 1d6 Damage
Enhancement Bonus +6
Keen


Lantern of Truth (No ID'ed description yet)

Misc thin
Cast Spell: True Seeing (9) 1 Use/Day
Cast Spell: Ultravision (6) 1 Use/Day


Mountain Oil (No ID'ed description yet)

Misc thin
Cast Spell: Ghostly Visage (15) 1 Use/Day
Cast Spell: Greater Stoneskin (11) 1 Use/Day
Cast Spell: Shadow Shield (13) 1 Use/Day


Is that the sort of thing you're after Jam?

	10-04-2005 15:28									#446
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I'll give you jam for items anyday. It's +4 Jam, with cure light wounds once per day.

I know I said that I'd spend some time today building a bonkers magic-based munchkin, but after about 12 levels of trying to shoehorn a sorceress, cleric and RDD into one character, I just got too excited and had to go and kill some monsters. I called her Agnieda Mīt-Schieltt, which was the best thing about her. I was trying to make the perfect back-up, with mage offensive spells, and cleric healing and buffs, and enough extra AC from the RDD levels to give her a chance.

Back to SoU then!

Oh, here's the build Jamski did for me last year:

quote: Human LG Paladin STR 14 DEX 10 CON 14 INT 8 WIS 14 CHA 16 Take 4 Lore at level 1 and 1 each level until it is 8 1 Paly1 (Power Attack and Cleave) 2 Paly2 3 Paly3 (Weapon Focus*) 4 Bard1 (+1 CHA) 5 Paly4 6 Paly5 (Divine Might) 7 RDD1 8 RDD2 (+1 CHA) 9 Paly6 (Divine Shield) 10 RDD3 11 RDD4 12 RDD5 (Improved Critical* +1 CHA) 13 RDD6 14 RDD7 15 RDD8 (Great Cleave) 16 RDD9 (+1 CHA) 17 RDD10 18 Paly 7 (Improved Turning or Improved Smite Evil) 19 Paly 8 20 Paly 9 (+1 STR) So at level 20, you'll have STR 23 (max out to 35 with spells and items!!!) DEX 10 CON 16 INT 10 WIS 14 CHA 22 (max out to 34 with spells and items!!!) You'll have 4 attacks per round, can fight in heavy armour while singing your Bard Song (hey, its a free +1 to hit) with immense STR, and at least 9 times a day you'll be able to use Divine Might/Shield to add your (hopefully HUGE) CHA bonus to damage and/or AC for at least 6 rounds a time. You have enough STR to take Overwhelming Criticals at level 21... want me to go on and make an epic build too? It gets quite insane amounts of CHA.

She sailed through the original campaign.

	10-04-2005 15:44									#447
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That's an interesting build but with 8 INT don't you have next to nothing in the way of skill points? Also With only 23 strength you can't get dev crit so no killing opponents in one blow. In the end I think I'd replace the Paladin with fighter just to get the bonus feats and 100 extra skill points or so.

On a different note I finally killed Marag today but I was disapointed with the ending. No resolution with Arabeth other then where she confessed her love to me while she was in jail I also had that clutzy elf woman pining for me but nothing came of that either. Does anyone know who all of the male and female love interests are?

	10-04-2005 15:56									#448
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There's no reason not to put two of the level-up points into STR intstead of CHA. Then at level 21 you take Ov'rwhelming Crit and at level 24 you start back on adding CHA, and take Dev Crit Hey, and at level 25, you'll get 4th level paladin spells

After that everything is +CHA

-Jam

	10-04-2005 17:12									#449
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin That's an interesting build but with 8 INT don't you have next to nothing in the way of skill points? Also With only 23 strength you can't get dev crit so no killing opponents in one blow. In the end I think I'd replace the Paladin with fighter just to get the bonus feats and 100 extra skill points or so.

Fighters don't get many skill points.........not sure what you are thinking of with the 100 extra.

	10-04-2005 17:14									#450
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york Oh, here's the build Jamski did for me last year: quote: Human LG Paladin STR 14 DEX 10 CON 14 INT 8 WIS 14 CHA 16 Take 4 Lore at level 1 and 1 each level until it is 8 1 Paly1 (Power Attack and Cleave) 2 Paly2 3 Paly3 (Weapon Focus*) 4 Bard1 (+1 CHA) 5 Paly4 6 Paly5 (Divine Might) 7 RDD1 8 RDD2 (+1 CHA) 9 Paly6 (Divine Shield) 10 RDD3 11 RDD4 12 RDD5 (Improved Critical* +1 CHA) 13 RDD6 14 RDD7 15 RDD8 (Great Cleave) 16 RDD9 (+1 CHA) 17 RDD10 18 Paly 7 (Improved Turning or Improved Smite Evil) 19 Paly 8 20 Paly 9 (+1 STR) So at level 20, you'll have STR 23 (max out to 35 with spells and items!!!) DEX 10 CON 16 INT 10 WIS 14 CHA 22 (max out to 34 with spells and items!!!) You'll have 4 attacks per round, can fight in heavy armour while singing your Bard Song (hey, its a free +1 to hit) with immense STR, and at least 9 times a day you'll be able to use Divine Might/Shield to add your (hopefully HUGE) CHA bonus to damage and/or AC for at least 6 rounds a time. You have enough STR to take Overwhelming Criticals at level 21... want me to go on and make an epic build too? It gets quite insane amounts of CHA. She sailed through the original campaign.

Hmm, it's nice, but for what purpose is it better than a fighter/paladin/heavy CoT build?