10-02-2005 06:55									#61
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quote: Originally posted by laurentius I'm incapable of making such plans with the skills and knowledge I have at the moment. Maybe we could come up with something if we worked together?

If we all worked together then we wouldnt need weapons.

	10-02-2005 06:57									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious self-interest.

Correctamondo

	10-02-2005 06:59									#63
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You make yourself the enemy of all good people in the world Sprayber. People like you are leading the US straight to the bottom.

	10-02-2005 06:59									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber If we all worked together then we wouldnt need weapons.

So why dont you take the role you seek so much and show us the way? Take the torch and do the right thing for once and the world(at least Europe) will follow. Lets put these centuries of senceless violence behind us and start making money or whatever it is one wants t do with is life

There will be Halo 5's and holodecks where you can play war all day long if you like

	10-02-2005 07:01									#65
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd Right wing hypocrites who don't want laws controling weapons in their own country, but do want laws controling the weapons of everyone else.

We don't care about laws. We just don't want them to do it.

There's no hypocrisy. We don't think of them as bad people for wanting to get nukes (ignoring the argument that they'll be more irresponsible than we will, at least from our POV). We just don't want them to get nukes, so we'll do what we can to prevent it.

	10-02-2005 07:01									#66
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quote: Originally posted by laurentius Cheaters like Iran!? What makes you think your morals are better than theirs?

Because they're MINE. Why the hell should I follow someone else's morals?

	10-02-2005 07:03									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker We don't care about laws. We just don't want them to do it. There's no hypocrisy. We don't think of them as bad people for wanting to get nukes (ignoring the argument that they'll be more irresponsible than we will, at least from our POV). We just don't want them to get nukes, so we'll do what we can to prevent it.

So you don't mind if I buy a gun and threaten to shoot you with it if you try to get one? Then I suppose anything goes after that, huh?

	10-02-2005 07:03									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Because they're MINE. Why the hell should I follow someone else's morals?

Whos that? Gods? You know their God has pretty much the same morals than ours...

	10-02-2005 07:04									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Because they're MINE. Why the hell should I follow someone else's morals?

you don't have any morals.

	10-02-2005 07:04									#70
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quote: Originally posted by laurentius So why dont you take the role you seek so much and show us the way? Take the torch and do the right thing for once and the world(at least Europe) will follow. Lets put these centuries of senceless violence behind us and start making money or whatever it is one wants t do with is life

I'm not one up on the pulpit preaching about universal brotherhood. I'm quite happy with how the world is. I'm alive and since kid (master of all that is moral in the universe) says i'm selfish, I have every reason to be happy

	10-02-2005 07:04									#71
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quote: Originally posted by GePap The current admin. will not give carrots, and their prefered stick is currently being used.

Diplomatic recognition and an agreement to not attack them if they behave in a certain manner doesn't cost us any money but might be something the Iranians want. Voila, we have a carrot. The stick could be limited airstrikes and sanctions from the whole UN just like Iraq got. Will sanctions work? Not likely, but it will take away much of their breathing room and the Iranians are practical enough to know this.

If given a workable carrot and the US is given a way to verify that Iran isn't telling more fibs then a deal might be made. The Iranians are practical people if governored by true religious fundimentalists which make America's creationists look like seaseme street.

	10-02-2005 07:07									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious you don't have any morals.

I'm rubber and your glue, whatever you throw at me bounces off and sticks to you.

That's about the level of your assement on Kuci's morals.

	10-02-2005 07:07									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious So you don't mind if I buy a gun and threaten to shoot you with it if you try to get one? Then I suppose anything goes after that, huh?

Of course I'd mind. Where did I say I wouldn't mind?

	10-02-2005 07:08									#74
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quote: Originally posted by laurentius Whos that? Gods? You know their God has pretty much the same morals than ours...

Huh? I'm an atheist. I don't give a **** about what some mythical being told some guy 2000 years ago.

	10-02-2005 07:08									#75
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quote: Originally posted by laurentius Whos that? Gods? You know their God has pretty much the same morals than ours...

What does God have to do with it.

	10-02-2005 07:09									#76
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I definitely had the sense that the sense that you wen there, Sava. Occasionaly when I am bored I visit DU and FreeRepublic to see what they are up to, and your material seems to fit in with what is posted at DU.

It is funny how DU and FR hate each others guts, when they are really two sides of the same coin, pretty much mirror images of each other except for one being left and one being right.

	10-02-2005 07:10									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber I'm not one up on the pulpit preaching about universal brotherhood. I'm quite happy with how the world is. I'm alive and since kid (master of all that is moral in the universe) says i'm selfish, I have every reason to be happy

I'm not sure we can allow you to continue being selfish. If you are christian, jewish, muslim or hindu you know what you do is wrong. Look in the mirror and change your ways, for you happiness is based on other peoples suffering! No matter what kid says.

	10-02-2005 07:13									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Huh? I'm an atheist. I don't give a **** about what some mythical being told some guy 2000 years ago.

Oh, it was just an assumption. Surely you belive in some morals though...

	10-02-2005 07:13									#79
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quote: Originally posted by laurentius I'm not sure we can allow you to continue being selfish. If you are christian, jewish, muslim or hindu you know what you do is wrong. Look in the mirror and change your ways, for you happiness is based on other peoples suffering! No matter what kid says.

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	10-02-2005 07:19									#80
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quote: Originally posted by laurentius Oh, it was just an assumption. Surely you belive in some morals though...

Yes, MINE.

	10-02-2005 07:49									#81
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quote: Yes, MINE.

Why should we listen to you then?

	10-02-2005 07:49									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi I definitely had the sense that the sense that you wen there, Sava. Occasionaly when I am bored I visit DU and FreeRepublic to see what they are up to, and your material seems to fit in with what is posted at DU. It is funny how DU and FR hate each others guts, when they are really two sides of the same coin, pretty much mirror images of each other except for one being left and one being right.

I know... exactly.

Shi gets it

any place where I am considered not extreme enough is definitely ****ed up...

	10-02-2005 07:52									#83
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I think that anyone who advocates might as right should get their head punched in to teach them a lesson.

After all, it's a lesson that most people learn in grade school.

	10-02-2005 07:54									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber I'm rubber and your glue, whatever you throw at me bounces off and sticks to you. That's about the level of your assement on Kuci's morals.

Selfishness is not a morality. I would only say that to someone like Kuci. I would never say that to someone who actually had a believe in right and wrong besides whatever benefits himself. I''m not just playing a game like you seem to think.

	10-02-2005 07:55									#85
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I'll say this of the Libertarians, at least they aren't hypocrites.

	10-02-2005 07:56									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Of course I'd mind. Where did I say I wouldn't mind?

You would mind but you wouldn't call it immoral, because I would be acting in my self-interest, right?

	10-02-2005 07:58									#87
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We need to build orbital mass dirver platforms, then we can do away with this nuclear weapon business.

	10-02-2005 08:01									#88
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I repeat this once more We as a country are so agressive because no other country dare stand up and be so. For my love of god I wish that the world existed with out war. To change the subject a bit when i was in hawaii i went to pearl harbor i dint dare go out to the memorial for when i got on the base i felt the death and suffering deep in my soul. The U.S. is kind of in a position we are damed if we do and damed if we dont. This country does so much for other countries as far as relief is concerned. Your right we have no real business in the other contries goverments to try and make them think like us, that is wrong. I think the U.S has good intentions and horrible ways of proving them.

	10-02-2005 08:15									#89
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Mrs. Tubes,

Why do you say the US has good intentions. True we give aid to other nations, but this is largely for political reasons, and as you say we have no business trying to make other nations like ourselves.

	10-02-2005 08:20									#90
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quote: Exactly. Notice how the enemies of the US always get desperate for nukes. That shouldn't suprise anyone. If the US really wants to stop the spread of nukes they should stop creating enemies.

Before Iraq they wanted nukes because of hostile neighbors, but what you say is true, especially now. I think more countries should have nukes, they inhibit war. If Iraq had em we wouldn't have invaded. Hell, for all that rubbish about Saddam and mushroom clouds, he didn't use WMD in the first gulf war because he knew we would get him. Iran isn't any different, but I can understand why Israelites are nervous.

Geez, I agreed with Kid? This must be the end time, let the nukes fly HOSANNA!