05-05-2005 00:45									#91
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IIRC then the low test aggrement is a agreement between the teams and not pushed by FIA, so Ferrari is kosher - although, I think they should have joined.

BAR on the other hand has acted stupid. They can talk all that they want about not clear rules when emptying the tank, but the fact is that that gas is supposed to be used, so of course it is not a part of the car.

Claming that there has to be this reserve just to make the engine work is just stupid

	05-05-2005 01:43									#92
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quote: Basically, BAR used a small "retaining device" in their fuel system, that could be used to hold some fuel. When only the fuel tank was empty, the car was above minimal weight. When both the tank and this device were emptied of fuel, the car was underweight.

Wow. Interesting.

	05-05-2005 02:00									#93
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It just sounds like an incredibly stupid gamble to make.

Also: I wonder if this could have been done without Honda's knowledge.

	05-05-2005 21:20									#94
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BAR excluded from next two races - loses San Marino's points


BAR's official reaction...

...and they still want to race in Spain

	05-05-2005 21:41									#95
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Hm, interesting situation, indeed.

BAR surely did a very stupid thing if they thought that this kind of "trick" would not be noticed by anyone. If they have a bad car, this is certainly not the best way to solve their problems.

Too bad for Button, he is a talented pilot who deserves a better fate.

	05-05-2005 21:53									#96
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I agree with Button not deserving this.

I read somewhere that 2 former BAR engineers notified some of the other teams about the situation.

	05-05-2005 22:39									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu ...and they still want to race in Spain

Woah... The plot thickens.

	08-05-2005 19:37									#98
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Rahter boring race. Absence of Button and Sato really felt.

Too bad for Michael, with the bad luck.

Good overtake by Fisichella of Webber near the end.

What else? A couple of quasi-duels between team members.

	08-05-2005 21:54									#99
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I missed the race weekend But congrats to Raikkonnen He deservs a victory after all his trouble lately. And Alonso and Trulli is showing good form as usual

And BAR got off easier than I thought they would. Only a two race suspension and docked points for Imola is quite generous by FIA IMO...

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	08-05-2005 22:03									#100
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Yep, boring race. Barcelona is not a very funny circuit.

Some comments:

Raikkonen simply the quickest all the weekend. Not much to add. McLaren is obviously the quickest car (and it has been since the first race IMO)

Alonso did a good solid race. Second in despite of suffering heavy blistering in the rear left tyre along the first 20 laps.

Trulli, once again a great work. Solid like rock too.

About Ralf he was at Trulli´s level for first time this season. Toyota seems the fourth stronger team right now. Fisi did a good race but had bad luck with his car´s nose. Webber did a grey race and Williams seems not much better. Montoya was mediocre, due maybe to his physical conditio. Schumi and Ferrari were mediocre all the weekend as i predicted. (Brigdestone´s fault at a high percentage, they should change to Michelin becaue many reasons)

EDIT: spelling.

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	08-05-2005 22:04									#101
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Supposedly, Raikkonen broke with his girlfriend.

Well, now we see what slowed him down!

	08-05-2005 22:29									#102
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Less distractions = better driving

	09-05-2005 05:59									#103
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Not the most exciting race, I agree.

Surely Raikkonen deserved the victory, he was absolutely great in the race. I hardly could believe when he had more than 20 secs over Alonso, and he maintained a good pace during all the event.

Alonso was somehow disappointing, but if he had problems with his car, the second place was still a strong finishing position for him.

Trulli and Ralf were good too, Toyota seems to improve with every race, kind of like what happened to BAR last season. Let's hope they don't have any dirty tricks under the hood...

Montoya

Webber and Heidfeld were mediocre... I really can't see Williams as a serious contender now.

Schumi was good during the first half of the race, and it seemed like he could do something similar to what he did at Imola, but the horrible Bridgestone tyres are really making things bad for Ferrari this year.

All in all, I expected more from this race. Next is Monaco, which is a very peculiar race, one that is usually decided in the qualifying sessions. And Ferrari is not good at qualifying, as we have seen so far. McLaren and Renault (and Toyota) are the teams which are going to fight for victory at Monaco.

	10-05-2005 02:29									#104
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My predictions for Monaco

1) Alonso
2) Raikkonnen
3) Trulli

But as Alex said it all depends on the qualifying...

	10-05-2005 02:34									#105
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Monte Carlo prediction:

1. Alonso
2. Fisichella
3. Trulli

	10-05-2005 03:49									#106
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Monte Carlo is a difficult race where the driver are more important than the car (not that the car doesn't matter .

1. Kimi
2. Schumi
3. Coulthard

Kimi will have the edge because of the better car - I don't think Ferrari will go for that stragegy that has been good for them (it would have worked perfectly if not for the two punctures (is they allowed to use a new engine because Schumi didn't finish ?), and Red Bull is relatively competitble in a good drivers hands (wich Coulthard certainly is)

	10-05-2005 04:35									#107
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Apparently Ferrari still has reliability and tyre problems. I'll say:

1. Alonso
2. Fisichella
3. Trulli

I'm betting that Raikonnen's car won't last the race, otherwise i'd have him in first.

	10-05-2005 04:55									#108
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Apparently, BAR knew that 3 other teams used the same fuel system that they used at Imola. The 4 teams use the same manufacturer for their fueling systems: ATL. And the 3 other teams listed in ATL's catalog are Jordan, McLaren and Ferrari.
BAR was ready to file a protest against each of the other Team's cars after Imola, but since they were cleared at first, they decided not to. Then, when the decision was appealed and taken to the FIA, it was too late for BAR to file a protest.

I'll try and find something to back this up.

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	10-05-2005 05:04									#109
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I don't think that the system as such is illegal- BAR's problem was that they didn't consider the fuel as part of the main tank - maybe the others didn't think that way.

Waits for your search

	10-05-2005 06:20									#110
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In Monte Carlo the car (the chasis much more than the engine) and the driver are in fact important, so:

1-Alonso
2-Trulli
3-Schumi

	10-05-2005 17:23									#111
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People you are disregarding the fact that it is very likely Montoya and a large number of Schumachers are going to crash into a wall at some point. Schumi has to race like hell, no way he finishes the race. He'll probably crash into Webber and then order the box to put bananas in Barichello's exhaust ... again. He's a bad loser that guy.

	10-05-2005 18:16									#112
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Yep, but he was a bad loser even a cheater at some point when he was younger and had something to win. Right now he has won everything, so it seems he has become a much nicer guy.

	20-05-2005 16:59									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu Apparently, BAR knew that 3 other teams used the same fuel system that they used at Imola. The 4 teams use the same manufacturer for their fueling systems: ATL. And the 3 other teams listed in ATL's catalog are Jordan, McLaren and Ferrari. BAR was ready to file a protest against each of the other Team's cars after Imola, but since they were cleared at first, they decided not to. Then, when the decision was appealed and taken to the FIA, it was too late for BAR to file a protest. I'll try and find something to back this up.

Couldn't find anything. Thin air.

	20-05-2005 18:47									#114
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quote: F1 qualifying set to change Friday May 20 2005 Formula One is likely to introduce a new qualifying system within the next few days after the 10 teams unanimously approved a change. The current format, which was only introduced at the beginning of this season, sees two one-lap sessions - one on Saturday and the other on Sunday morning - after which times are aggregated. That system has proved deeply unpopular, chiefly because the spectacle of Saturday qualifying was diluted with the grid only being decided on Sunday morning. That was problematic for television broadcasters who joined a growing lobby for change. Changes have been mooted all season without agreement but on Friday the teams agreed on a new system which will go before world governing body the FIA's world motorsport council and Formula One commission for approval. Under the new format, qualifying will revert to one session on a Saturday afternoon with drivers completing one flying lap in race set-up. The running order of that session will be decided by the previous grand prix result. Providing the format is approved by the two FIA bodies - the most likely outcome - the new system would be introduced for next weekend's European Grand Prix at the Nurburgring. Drivers have long complained about the current system and they have encouraged Formula One bosses to make the change - and stick with it if they introduce the fourth new qualifying format in three years. World champion Michael Schumacher said: "I would prefer coming back to one qualifying session. "I think that is reasonable but then it would be nice to stick with that qualifying for once. If we change it now hopefully we won't change it again and again." Renault driver Fernando Alonso said: "To be honest I prefer that it changes because from the second race everyone has talked about changing qualifying and every race I have to answer the same question about qualifying." "I hope they change it so I do not have to answer this."

Source: http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_19597.shtml

Good news, the current format is not a good one. I'd rather see the return of the single one hour session with 12 laps for each driver, but any change is good right now.

Alonso was faster on second practice session, with Wurz in second with a McLaren. I was surprised with Coulthard in third.

But Ferrari is really disappointing me: Schumi was only the 11th and Barrichello the 15th.

Let's see what happens tomorrow.

	20-05-2005 22:16									#115
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I kinda liked the new qualifiying rules, it forced the drivers to be constantly on their toes and always give 110%. But if nobody (that matters) likes it, who am I to have a different opinion?

Renault firmly on top in both qualifying races. I like it

	21-05-2005 17:07									#116
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Great first qualifying. Spectacular crash by Ralf in the Tabac corner. Great racing by Alonso and stunning performance by Raikkonnen. Equally bad performance by Ferrari

And both Minardis ahead of Jordan, wtf??

	21-05-2005 18:10									#117
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Hm, horrible qualifying for Ferrari. They seem worse with every race.

Alonso and Raikkonen - we could have an interesting fight tomorrow. I'd say that Raikkonen gets pole position tomorrow (he managed to set almost half a second over Alonso).

Nice crash by Ralf.

	22-05-2005 18:58									#118
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Looks like:

1. Raikkonen
2. Heidfeld
3. Webber

Quite a day for Williams.

Ferrari sucked though.

The race was way too boring in the beginning, but the last twenty laps or so were very much exciting.

Also, Alonso! Didn't get penalized for cutting the corner under attack by Webber, which obviously gave him unfair advantage? I guess since Webber overtook him any way, it might not matter, but who knows...

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	22-05-2005 19:48									#119
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Damn, best Monaco race I´ve seen in ages. Boring at the beginning but really picked up pace in the end. Amazing performance by Raikkonnen and...Williams? Really poor strategy by Renault, though. Lucky for Alonso the race ended when it did, a few more laps and he wouldn´t have scored any points at all...

And what was Trulli thinking when he passed Fisichella in the hairpin? Bold but stupid, a bit like Satos manoeuver on Barichello at [where was it?] last season. 10 points for effort though

	22-05-2005 19:53									#120
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quote: Originally posted by vovan Also, Alonso! Didn't get penalized for cutting the corner under attack by Webber, which obviously gave him unfair advantage? I guess since Webber overtook him any way, it might not matter, but who knows...

Alonso cut the corner, but so did Webber. So, no one gained an unfair advantage.

What really annoys me though is Schumi visibly crossing the yellow line coming out of the pit after his second stop. And he didn´t get a penalty, wtf?? The Schumi rule is still in effect I see...