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On the assumption that skro's MPP will be ratified by AM, should I approach LB now with the offer to join, and feudalism to go with it. I will try and tie it into a cash for tech deal as per AM. Feudalism will be seen as a pwoerful message and incentive I am sure. It is not a tech to give away lightly.

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Should we wait until AM signs? It's hard enough to get two civs to agree to things. I say we sign with AM then invite LB to the party.

By all means set up a deal for Feudalism and other techs.

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So, anyone want to bet 1889 is on board with AM?

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no. looking back, it was all too easy....

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I really should have been more skeptical of LB. What reason do they have to go against BOH now when they are, as 1889 himself said, halfway across the world?

AM, though, I actually trusted as having good reason, having been attacked by BOH and being adjacent to their land (as they are with us...) I guess either they actually think they can cooperate with BOH, or they figured it would be fun to see what being a vassal was like. Bastards.

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Yes. And now Feudalism is out there.

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So, anyone want to bet 1889 is on board with AM?


Sending a quick note now.

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On the assumption that skro's MPP will be ratified by AM ....


Call me naive, or what.

Here is what I sent to 1889, although I think the writing is on the wall.
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So are you in on this deception along with BOH and AM? If so, very disappointing. I thought you would be able to clearly see the bigger picture.


At some level - I have to admire what BOH has accomplished. They get us and Euphorica to attack DR, and now they are getting AM and LB to attack us.

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I trust no one in this game anymore. Euphorica was going to let us hang out to dry after the DR war too. We need to become a paraniod closed society - for what ever time we have left.

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His reply - which makes me think I was to quick with my sarcasm.

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No, but your faith is inspiring. :


I will follow up clear the air and make my apologies.

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It would appear that LB warrior, at 8-7 from LI is trying to help protect that city from AM elite Horseman. It forted instead of moved.

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My letter to 1889. I hope I hit the right note - given my earlier faux pas...

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1889. My apologies. I am truly sorry for my pessimism and sarcastic comments.

The entire BoH mess was bad enough. But when it appeared that both you and AM were willing to forge a defence alliance of some sort - we were feeling better about the game.Skrobism worked hard for a couple of days to prepare quite a lengthy MPP (we can send a copy). Krill of AM was actualy reviewing it and making comments. And the final draft was with them for signing after we had signed it. Krill also approached us regarding a tech arrangement - where they would provide 30 gold per turn in exchange for feudalism now, and our next tech researched. We received one payment. And they received feudalism. Which has now reached its way to BOH. That tech deal was signed and agreed to. There was considerable back and forth between Krill and Skro, and after our turn - the only thing we see is the Battle Report Message where they had taken our city. That was Friday night. No message - or declaration, or anything. A simple knife in the back.

We were suckered beautifully - I have not seen this level of lying and deception in a demo game before, and believe me - I should know - as we (Vox Controli) wrote the book about it back in the early days of the PTWDG.

So our team, already hurting from the failure of the first alliance, was really hurt by this. We were frustrated, pi$$ed, and very disappointed. It was so well orchestrated we figured you had to be in on it as well.

So I hope you understand where our team and I were coming from when I wrote what I did. Again - I apologize. I have always known you to be a straight-up individual, but we have been disappointed so often now and the game is still young.So, I hope that you can please excuse my inexcusable lack of diplomacy and trust. Babylon is now in no position to upset anyone else in the world.

We firmly believe BoH is coming for us. Paddy gave me a fairly detailed troop deployment earlier on - I can send that. We are also more that willing to provide feudalism to a friend and ally.

And last but not least - if you have any pull with DR, can you get them on-board to deal with BOH. We sent a very frank letter about a week ago after BOH's cease-fire, including an explanation, a cease-fire of our own, an apology, and a warning about BOH.

Waiting, and hoping to hear from you.

Humbly yours .... Beta.

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His response...

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Any info you have on BOH troop movement would be very handy.

I guess the rules have gone out the window so can you send me a screenshot of what the land looks like in the center of the map, including the location of Aquarius where BOH's stack was last known to be.

Feudalism would probably be helpful as well.


I need help here as my instincts in this game have been waaaay off base.

I can't see the harm in providing feudalism. If he was in cahoots with the others - he would have it by now.

As to the map stuff - I can't see what that would hurt either.

To be honest - I am not sure we have much choice but to trust him. I am not sure we want to try a MPP, but I am open to suggestions.

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Hm, thanks Beta. At least LB seem to be left in our boat. Let´s keep them there!

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I agree to send Feudalism to them

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Yes, send the tech -- hell, I would even be willing to do a MPP -- if they are, which would shock me. What do we have to lose?

Did 1889 agree to approach DR?

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Let's try confirm Lost Boys on side. Who is our best contact?.

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Probably me. I know 1889 from some pbem's. He is a pretty straight forward individual, then again, I though the same of Paddy.

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I have already sent them both Lit & Feud, so someone needs to send him a nice flowery letter to tell him, maybe work something out....

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Will do.

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from 1889...

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I moved my warrior onto the hills north of Lake Ishtar. It may delay AM's horseman.

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my reply...

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Thank you.

E_T has just finished playing the save. Feudalism and Literature are coming your way. We do trust the Lost boys. And this is the only way we can demonstrate that.

Working on maps and BOH troop deployments - as far as we know them.

Cheers ,,Beta.

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Thanks, It will be a big help.

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Another message to 1889..

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And last but not least - if you have any pull with DR, can you get them on-board to deal with BOH. We sent a very frank letter about a week ago after BOH's cease-fire, including an explanation, a cease-fire of our own, an apology, and a warning about BOH.


His response ...

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Your going to have to give them money too. Try 4 gold per turn or 60 as a lump sum, that should do more for them than the war happiness. I think in your current circumstance you will see how affordable that really is.


What do folks think?

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I'm inclined to pay! Unless 1889 is playing us just like Krill -- which in that case this game is really over for us now.

I admit I'm grasping for straws, but if there is any chance to get DR aligned with us we should attempt it. We will lose coin every time we lose a city, why not try this approach?

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Agreed. Either we stop our fall or we accelerate it. Die sooner or not at all - not a difficult choice IMO.

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I'd personally like to call "DO-OVER", go back a few turns and never have attacked DR. But that can't be done.

Give Feudalism to everyone. Give the money on a per turn basis to DR if they will take it. Send screenies to Lost Boys. Does 1889 really not know where Aquarius is?

Modify my World Mutual Defense treaty. To remove AM and add LB. Get them to sign. Invite Eu after that.

BTW - 1889 just opened up his private forum to allies.

If LB are lying. Oh well.

Get me once - shame on you. Get me twice - shame on me. Continue to get me - it's probably a self esteem issue.

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Look at me - I'm a Babylonian Lost Boy! Sign up 1889 wants his allies in the Private Forum.

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I posted the following in 1889's forum.
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Organization for World Mutual Defense

1889,
Thank you for this place & this new collaboration of nations

Babylon and AM were working on an MPP, before we were stabbed in the back. I envisioned The Org WMD Treaty was to be this world's NATO or UN. The Babylonian plan was to get AM to sign to it then invite other nations soon after the signing. I hoped that all would eventually join in. Feel free to take this document, and comment on it, or edit it as you see fit.

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the LB equivalent of our Bab forum is where 1889 wants to meet? won't that make us members of "Lost Boys"?

 
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