20-07-2005 05:45									#151
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Thanks.

	20-07-2005 07:35									#152
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Lord N's response:

quote: I totally understand, but all you can really get is a temporary reprieve. The Horde will not be satiated if they destroy Euphorica. We must be prepared to stop them at some point.

	20-07-2005 07:37									#153
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And my quick reply...

quote: If you are suggesting a multi-civ crusade against BOH, we are all ears!

	20-07-2005 07:53									#154
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From 1889..

quote: I think we just missed our chance.

	20-07-2005 07:54									#155
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My response...

quote: How so? Their declaration? Even better IMO. Get their troops away from their homeland - and then you and AM will have an easier time of it.

	20-07-2005 10:17									#156
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From 1889

quote: Ok maybe this isn't as bad as I though. Is it only the Horde attacking you? That seems kinda stupid. Lets wait until morning and get some more info first.

	21-07-2005 06:26									#157
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1889's public post. Yowzer!!! This comes out of left field.

The question is - is it sincere - or is it a ply to ger us and AM to declare our intentions.

Guess we had better write him and find out.

quote: A New Hope The Horde strategy has been to divide and conquer. After each raid they offer the peace to end all peace leaving its victims and allies to fight amongst themselves while the instigator tends to its own needs. We should be embarrassed to have fallen victim to a strategy that first timers employ against the AI, yet here we are furiously stomping on the flaming bag the Horde has placed on our porch. As long as we are not united against them we are playing into their hands. It is now time to choose. Take the red pill and remove yourself from the matrix of paranoia or take the blue pill and pretend that the Horde will not come for you. The Lost Boys will not wait patiently until the Horde makes us its next victim. If you also have the courage to set a fresh path through this world besotted with the Horde’s depravity post it here and let’s end the secret dealings that foster mistrust and nurture their vile plotting. The Lost Boy declares war on the Horde.

	21-07-2005 06:28									#158
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Has 1889 ever been found faking it before?

	21-07-2005 06:30									#159
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to 1889...

quote: Let me be frank. Knowing you, I can only presume this is for real. Otherwise, it is an effort to get us to reveal our intentions to the world, and which means you are in league with BOH. Which I find hard to believe, but it is possible. If this is for real, Babylon will stand beside you. Beta of Babylon.

I hope you were Ok with the standing beside you thing. Afterall, publicly, BOH is already at war with us.

	21-07-2005 07:01									#160
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That's why I mounted my 'temple' and rode off to battle with him in public.

Couldn't leave him hanging out there and what harm could it do to us? BOH already declared war against us.

	21-07-2005 09:51									#161
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If he does seem to be with us (and if we think he can be trusted with the info) he needs to know that we aren't ready to ride off to war regardless of his readiness. Our military is simply not in shape at the moment. Nor in place.

	21-07-2005 09:55									#162
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quote: Greatings allies, I can see that I should have sent this a few hours ago, unfortunately I was busy. We have a hard fight ahead of us and we will need to gather more support. What we must not do is insult other teams, even if it is supposed to be role playing. As I have said the Horde wants to create blame and paranoia. Each time we post we are giving them the chance to twist our words against us. I'm am trying to get my mod powers back for Lost Boys and then we can hang out there. In the mean time lets intimidate our enemies by showing them that we stand together and are disciplined. As far as people outside our alliance are concerned this should be a silent PBEM. Thank you

Wise words.

	21-07-2005 11:27									#163
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quote: Greetings to Euphorica and Babylon, The purpose of this alliance is to render the Horde harmless to each of us. I doubt that any of us has the ability to strike them seriously yet so let’s just destroy what they send while we build strength for the coming battle. Best of luck to Euphorica during this difficult stage. While we may lack the military strength, that can be produced easily enough. What we do have is the secret support of the rest of the world; we just need to convince them to reveal it. As I stated in the post, the Horde hopes to pry us apart and prevent others from joining by using our words to create suspicion, mistrust and hatred between and against us. We can prevent this only by not posting, by not PMing and by not sending email, not to the Horde or anyone outside our alliance. We all believe that they are out to destroy us and so we are fighting for our lives. What would you have to say to the people who want you dead or the people that don’t offer aid while you fight for your life? Nothing of use to be sure. To those outside this alliance you should consider that we are playing a silent game. This silence will show our unity. The Horde is the largest team in the game and has a variety of players. This unity will cause some to question Horde policy and create hesitation. This silence will also prove our discipline, and if we have no discipline I would rather save my precious resources for my own defense than squander them here. If you simply can not control your urge to reply to their bait then send a group email until I can get our private forum back. I hope you can all understand the necessity of this simple, but very important rule. -1889

	21-07-2005 11:33									#164
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Silent to the other teams, not just the Horde? Perhaps he's mistating himself...

I see two ways to play this. Make a statement that we aren't about to cut off communications with the world, or respond deliberately misinterpreting it, saying that we agree we don't have much to say to the Horde and plan on not getting in to any more tussels with the Horde.

	21-07-2005 12:22									#165
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Find out if DR sent them Mono. If not, tell them that we think that BoH now also has it, from DR.

E_T

	21-07-2005 19:47									#166
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From 1889 to us and Euphorica.

quote: I recognize that many of you enjoy posting but right now that doesn't serve our goals. When human opponents are added to a Civ game diplomacy is just as important as strategy. Unless your diplomacy supports your strategy you waste your efforts on both. How many posts in this forum have been taken as personal insults? These accidents will only drive support farther away. Consider also that each time Paddy or Plato post something like "I'm waiting for your response" or "What do you say to that?" they give us the power to make them look impotent and weak by not responding. I've PM MarkG to let me back into my forum. We can post all we want there. I hope you find these reasons compelling enough to give silence a chance. -1889

	21-07-2005 20:05									#167
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Um. It's good to have a friend. But, when did we sign an alliance or MPP with LB?

What do we do with AM?

	21-07-2005 20:10									#168
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OK. Now this goes a bit too far. 1889 PM'd me last night.

quote: stop posting please You need to to take a break. Your posts are very upsetting to me. The alliance against the Horde is for mutual defence. If you just want to use me to cover your back whil;e you hurl insults at other teams then I'm out.

What? the tone in the public forum has become much lighter in the past 24 hours exactly because people are posting and joking again.

What's up?

	21-07-2005 21:11									#169
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quote: Goddess Inanna, Sorry to hear of Cain's demise. I wonder if anyone else here uses a combat calculator. This additional information usually improves my results by 10% or more. http://forums.civfanatics.com/showt...&postid=1526027

	21-07-2005 21:17									#170
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I replied to 1889's PM

quote: 1889 Sorry to have upset you. I have chatted personally with Paddy & have posted a very clear ooc apology. Since then I believe the public forum has taken a much lighter tone with 'enemies' exchanging trash, jokes, and smiles. This is good for Apolyton. The game was getting way too serious and way too personal. There was talk of personal hate mail being sent. That's crazy Bx. Your New Hope post asks for the EoD world to end the secrecy yet this PM and the emails last night ask for silence. I am honestly confused. I will no longer give BOH cause to attack. -Mark In game: Babylon wishes to continue in this growing alliance and will try to maintain forum silence on these matters. -skrobism vox inannum

	21-07-2005 23:19									#171
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quote: No sign yet of Horde Army Group East. A warrior is returning from near Metallica and should spot trouble. I assume he will come to Transylvania first so he can trigger my GA. Babylon, please leave that mountain on your border empty so my warrior can get back home. I am researching engineering with 18 turns left. Lord Nosferatu

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	21-07-2005 23:31									#172
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ah, yes, could you please keep the quotation marks around those messages...?

	22-07-2005 04:53									#173
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man - you miss 20 hours and look what transpires.

I agree with 1889, btw. Silence will drive BOH crazy.

But I also agree it does not make fun demogaming. But for now we can go along with it.

The question I have - is why 1889's sudden change of heart???

	22-07-2005 05:55									#174
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I guess a second question I have - is do we now want to extend the MPP treaty we are finalizing with AM to 1. Lost Boys and 2. Euphorica.

	22-07-2005 06:56									#175
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That is why i wrote it they way I did, but I would like to finalize it with AM. Then bring up the idea of adding others to the Org of WMD.

Are we officially allied with Lost Boys and Eu. I don't remember anythin official. The more the merrier but what are our obligations?

	22-07-2005 08:23									#176
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Nothing yet - but 1889 is clearly ready to stand-up against BOH - and I did indicate that we would stand with them. I think they would even be happier to find that AM is standing solidly beside us. Euphorica is on-side as they have no choice. So that leaves DR. If they side with BOH - it is 4 against 2. Not sure Dr will see that to be in their best interests.

	22-07-2005 09:35									#177
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I'm fairly certain that it will be 4 to 2, with it soon to be 3 to 2.

E_T

	22-07-2005 17:25									#178
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So - if that is the way it pans out - 3 vs 2, then I think the strategy should be for Lost Boys to stalemate DR, and AM and us to deal with BOH.

	22-07-2005 18:34									#179
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Hmmm... "deal with" -- I hope that means "ensure the total destruction of BoH as a tribe" See also "make our b!tch" and also see "subjugate"

	22-07-2005 18:54									#180
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When do we send Feudalism to LB?