23-03-2005 02:15									#181
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd Personally I think Everquest 2 has more potential than WoW, but is also even further from the mark in reality.

I always find it funny, when people speak about realism in this kind of a game. Where exactly are orcs, tauren or night elves rooted in reality?

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	23-03-2005 02:48									#182
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That EQ2 screen really does look like ass.

	23-03-2005 03:04									#183
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I think he means EQII has the potential to be better than WoW but is actually worse... I think...

	23-03-2005 03:05									#184
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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike That EQ2 screen really does look like ass.

I'm of the opinion that the whole game looks like ass. It's amazing to me the sysreqs required to run it.

Their art team is pretty bland overall, the color palettes are all dull and repetitive (look at the great environment in that screenshot, for examples). Something's wrong with the fonts. There's grammar annoyances "YOUR blah does 40 damage to a lame goul," when it should be "Your blah does 40 damage to A Lame Goul."

Someone ought to teach the EQ2 devs about proper nouns.

	23-03-2005 03:29									#185
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Isn't it Ghoul?

	23-03-2005 05:51									#186
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It is a rather bad screenshot, taken with poor graphics settings. I am not surprised, that Asher has chosen it.

Here are some pictures I shot myself on my 1 year old computer (3GHz, 1GB, GeForce 6600). Graphics settings are like I play, not artifically improved. I had to clip it to match Apolytons 600 pixel wide limitation. I play at 1600 x 1200, lagfree.

My elven mage on the Isle of Refuge.

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	23-03-2005 05:52									#187
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My dwarven main in Graystone Yard

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	23-03-2005 05:54									#188
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Finally, a water scenery. This one is scaled down about twice, to get a bit more width.

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	23-03-2005 05:56									#189
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I forgot how bad the graphics where in EQ2.

As I said once before, it looks like something made in Bryce 3D by some xena fan.

	23-03-2005 05:56									#190
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I prefer this over Ashers candy-colored realm anyday.

	23-03-2005 06:01									#191
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Candy-colored land is w00tly though...

	23-03-2005 06:01									#192
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World of Warcraft acomplishes what it tries to quite nicely and it all fits within the Warcraft setting (which isn't very serious to begin with). I have to say it works alot better in game than you might think from screenshots, too - I really hated the graphics in it aswell, untill I played the Beta. ( Maybe that's true of EQ2 aswell, but I'm guessing not)

But the graphics in EQ2 are sterile, over done, and sometimes inconsistent.

	23-03-2005 06:04									#193
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd I forgot how bad the graphics where in EQ2. As I said once before, it looks like something made in Bryce 3D by some xena fan.

I agree, even in the "good" screenshots SR posted, they look terrible.

The water especially -- the game was clearly made by and for people who try to escape reality (hence the more "realistic" graphics), but failing miserably since the people who make and play the game don't know what it's like outside.

That water looks so fake it's not even funny.

Another example in that water pic -- notice how the shoreline is a perfectly straight line? How often do you see that in real life...

The problem is EQ2 is a fantasy game that tries to have realistic graphics. It's easy to pick faults in that, since they look anything but realistic.

EQ2 and WoW are fantasy games, having eccentric graphics is part of the charm. WoW oozes with style, EQ2 oozes with blandness.

	23-03-2005 06:20									#194
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who cares about graphics. The question is the gameplay fun.

	23-03-2005 07:01									#195
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The single best feature of WoW over EQ2: Booze.

Even better after the patch.

The stages go "tipsy" -> "drunk" -> "completely smashed".

The more drunk you are, the lower the levels appear to be on mobs around you;

It also makes your vision all blurry and "smudgey" with movement, and your movement pattern is staggered.

It even modifies your text, adding ".. hic" randomly, slurring your words (ie, "so" becomes "sho"), etc.

	23-03-2005 07:49									#196
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You must be joking. That sounds hilarious.

	23-03-2005 08:15									#197
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I'm not joking.

One of the patch changes was "Greatly enhanced drunkenness effect".

The main thing in Ironforge right now is people asking where the booze is at, and everyone's drinking and slurring words...

	23-03-2005 08:30									#198
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd I forgot how bad the graphics where in EQ2. As I said once before, it looks like something made in Bryce 3D by some xena fan.

On a whim, I just did a search for Xena related bryce 3d images and got these:








It actually is quite similiar.

	23-03-2005 09:43									#199
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I'm of the opinion that the whole game looks like ass. It's amazing to me the sysreqs required to run it. Their art team is pretty bland overall, the color palettes are all dull and repetitive (look at the great environment in that screenshot, for examples). Something's wrong with the fonts. There's grammar annoyances "YOUR blah does 40 damage to a lame goul," when it should be "Your blah does 40 damage to A Lame Goul." Someone ought to teach the EQ2 devs about proper nouns.

I wouldn't normally pick apart grammer, but this is a special case. It should be "Your blah does 40 damage to a Lame Ghoul."

Someone should teach both you and the developers how to capitalize.

	23-03-2005 09:55									#200
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quote: Originally posted by appleciders I wouldn't normally pick apart grammer, but this is a special case. It should be "Your blah does 40 damage to a Lame Ghoul." Someone should teach both you and the developers how to capitalize.

Actually, judging from the screenshot the name of the object is "A Lame Ghoul", not "Lame Ghoul". Since "A" is part of the name, it is capitalized.

	23-03-2005 11:32									#201
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Some screenshots.

The first two are from yesterday...naked dancing in Ironforge.

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	23-03-2005 11:33									#202
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Naked Dancing, take two.

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	23-03-2005 11:34									#203
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Today, after the patch...we entered Dire Maul.

It's pretty impressive, very organic and vast.

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	23-03-2005 11:36									#204
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Afterwards we got drunk in Ironforge for fun.

Note my text in the chat...I didn't type it like that.

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	23-03-2005 11:37									#205
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The pictures don't do it justice...it's much more fun in motion, with the movement patterns of the character and the camera and the "smudging" effect...

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	23-03-2005 16:03									#206
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Screenshot overload.

I prefer WoW's style too, though perhaps EQ2 looks better full size.

	23-03-2005 16:52									#207
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With WoW and with all MMORPG's is there something that makes me hate them after 1-2 months playing them: they are EXTREMELY repetive!

Once fighting a monster a certain way is fun but doing it 1000 times is boring. While you get sometimes something new when you level up remains the basic game play: you do repetive things in order to gain new things who you would have to use even more repetively before you gain new repetive things...

Al MMORPG's I have played are extremely repetive, even much more repetive then single player RPG's. So while WoW, EQ2, SWG,... where fun for a while started I to hate them after some time. After doing so many repetive things does even watching the game make me ill.

	23-03-2005 21:00									#208
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How are they more repetitive than single player games? That statement's way out of the ballpark IMO.

I get bored of most single player games within a matter of days. Even the "best" ones like Half-Life 2 and Civ3.

	24-03-2005 01:21									#209
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Hmmm....I had hoped getting it this week, but I haven't received my copy yet. And now it's Easter, so I won't be getting WoW until sometime next week

Asmodean

	24-03-2005 02:19									#210
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quote: Originally posted by Asher How are they more repetitive than single player games? That statement's way out of the ballpark IMO. I get bored of most single player games within a matter of days. Even the "best" ones like Half-Life 2 and Civ3.

In single players RPG's games do you have much faster leveling and a big main plot that changes that let single player RPG's feel less repetive then MMOPRG's. Most single player RPG are at least fun until I completed the plot and got very close the the max level, WoW got boring the moment I hit level 26(I don't care what is after that, the moment a game becomes too repetive/boring do I instantly stop playing). After playing many MMOPRG do I think that being repetive is a core part of all MMOPRG's.

Even diablo2 feeled less repetive(thought it actually was more repetive) but there is just something in MMOPRg's that let me experience them as repetive and hate them after I play them for some time. Everquest was even much worse in this respect then WoW. I don't understand how people can enjoy a MMOPRG for more then 2 months, I guess they have a different brain or something or they get addicted to those repetive aspects I hate.