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It looks to me that BOH want to use glorious Babylon as a tool to eliminate AM. Are we next?
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Prowling in a PBEM near you!
Nov 2002 time: 00:33
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And Paddy says...
Paddy says:
there is a DR warrior to the north of your warrior Joe, can you please tail him into the boonies, we would like to smite him. your intel on his movements would allow us to step out and get him good.
Paddy says:
DR Intel:
looks like only Aqua is contributing, with Masuro posting occasionally, most others awol
DR not happy with Immortals, too slow for the distances required to travel
Immortals 4/2/1
Swordsmen 3/2/1
they feel the effort not quite worth it
they are working hard for more horsemen, and to get to knights asap
for knights they have horses and iron connected already, they just need chivalry
Paddy says:
Horde Red Guard Operations (the Red Guard is our Army) feel that a priority is to cut the horses
we feel that they will be over protective of their iron, as the horse resource is to their south east
Paddy says:
A possible solution to this would be a joint attack of Babylonian and Horde Horsemen on the DR Horse resource
Paddy says:
In this we would sweep in from the southern center of the map with the Bards are coming at them from the north
Paddy says:
As the Three Nation Alliance we do not have to individually be overwhelming of DR,
by stand together DR can not last
thus we get to finalize the Voting of them off the island
"Desolation Row - You're Fired"
Paddy says:
(need to reboot my machine, I will be back in a few minutes)
(beta here - chta on-going_
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Has the border dispute been solved? If BOH gives us the land we want then BOH shows they are our friends, and I say we are in.
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Raise the bar a few notches. Find out what else they are doing.
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Prowling in a PBEM near you!
Nov 2002 time: 00:33
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Was to lookin to line up a time to chat with Paddy - and received this.
Looks like we are back on track. 
quote: Lord Beta,
Thank you for answering my request for a chat. I understand that you are not
able to meet with me at this very hour, and in response to your request of
my times, please know that I will be available at various hours throughout
the coming 9 hours. It is GMT 1820 now, and thus I am available till approx
GMT 0320. Throughout this period I have a few errands to run, but no set
appointments, so I will check in and out, hoping to catch you. Please do not
hesitate to leave a set time that would be suitable for you.
In preparation of this chat I have prepared a few notes / agenda items.
1. My Apologises.
1.1 I was wrong in my understanding of the situation between our Nations
1.2 (A short speech)
"In the past weeks the Bards, especially Snoopy and McMeadows, have taken me
to task over my arrogance and the thoughts that I have for you and your
people. My belief was that your nation only wanted an alliance with us until
the Desolators were removed / voted off the island - survivor style. Yet as
I have gone over my notes of our chats, to get those statements, I find no
such details... I am wrong! You have been a shrewd and diplomatic
negotiator, yet I see nowhere the words as I believed them."
"I ask your forgiveness, and humbly apologise to you and your people."
"Arrogance can have a definite place, there certainly can be a strength in
it. Yet my arrogance has not been a strength, it has inturn led to a lacking
in communications and growth in our mighty Three Nation Alliance. I fully
thank the Bards, especially McMeadows for continually putting forth a case
for you and your people, (especially again this night) a case that made me
have to read over nearly every post that has been made about the alliance,
the proposed war etc, and thus to discover my error."
2. The War on DR.
2.1 Babylonian availability
2.2 Horde availability
2.3 Bard availability
2.4 Desolator Intel
2.5 Status of Desolators against members of Three Nation Alliance
2.6 Once hostilities begin, will Babylon then openly declare your hands
2.6.1 Your openness would be a dual edged sword, it could at last force the
Lost Boys to stand for one side or the other.
2.6.2 The benefits of knowing where the Lost Boy himself stands
3. Horde commitment to the Three Nation Alliance
3.1 Horde troops being diverted to / from the Porker war, that should be
available for the DR war.
3.2 Horde getting with the program
4. The Border agreement
4.1 Both Nations have put forth several versions, and it all relied on the
Porkers being removed. this has not happened...
4.2 This is a subject that we may be able to visit once the DR issue has
been sorted.
5. The Geo-Political Stage
5.1 Where do you see Babylon on the Geo-Political Stage
5.2 Where I see Babylon on the Geo-Political Stage
5.3 Where do you see Horde on the Geo-Political Stage
5.4 Where I see Horde on the Geo-Political Stage
5.5 Where do you see Bards on the Geo-Political Stage
5.6 Where I see Bards on the Geo-Political Stage
5.7 Where do you see Porkers on the Geo-Political Stage
5.8 Where I see Porkers on the Geo-Political Stage
5.9 Where do you see Lost Boys on the Geo-Political Stage
5.10 Where I see Lost Boys on the Geo-Political Stage
5.11 Where do you see Desolators on the Geo-Political Stage
5.12 Where I see Desolators on the Geo-Political Stage
6. Technologies
6.1 Babylonian research of Monarchy
6.1.2 The Horde have it that Babylon will complete this tech in approx 3 - 4
turns, as per correspondence in the last 14 days
6.1.3 The Horde still has Literature on the table, as agreed, along side of
Map Making, which you received as part of the "Three Nation Summit
Technological Trade Agreement"
6.1.3.1 Map Making was to be traded for Mathematics, which unfortunately
Babylon were not able to secure Math from the Desolators, thus leaving this
agreed to Technological Credit
6.1.4 Only the Bards and the Horde have Literature at this time
6.2 Code of Laws
6.3 Getting all of the Three Nations of the Alliance up to speed with
technologies
7. Resources
7.1 A road between our Nations
7.1.1 Connecting all Three Nations of the Alliance
7.1.2 Allowing the trade of resources
7.1.3 A definite positive for both nation
7.1.4 Allowing the flow of troops to a certain extent, good for allies to
have
7.2 Or should we look at harbours when available?
7.3 Dyes, a good trade
I understand that we may not get anywhere near talking of these points, yet
I feel you should be aware of my thinking in these matters.
May the wind cool your hair and fill your sails on a calm day.
Paddy
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of the pillow
Jun 2002 time: 00:33
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Chat log received from Paddy. (Removed some of the excess verbal spacing as I was reading through it. Hopefully it will look less daunting. This chat log is not a long read. Just be sure you have the agenda open in another window so you can follow along.)
quote: Beta says: Greetings frrom Babylon.
Paddy says: Greetings
Beta says: And a statement from Babylon...
We have had considerable discussion over diplomatic affairs lately.
As you have correctly surmised, the last discussion, and the proposed border agreement did not go down well.
However, the initial premise of the alliance was sound, and your backing of the AM war for now also helped.
We just completed our first major poll on diplomatic direction.
Paddy says: ok
how did that go?
Beta says: And it was overwhleming in favour of continuing and strengthening the BOH-Euphorica aliiance.
Paddy says: That is very good to hear, very good indeed
Beta says: DR has been courting us heavily, just so you know.
Paddy says: hehe
Beta says: We have been very cool to their communications, and that is something we should discuss is to how we may work that to our advantage.
Paddy says: us as well
hehe
indeed
Beta says: We are near to completing Monarchy - and that is something else we should discuss.
Paddy says: Aqua stands on the edge of our lands and looks over our Nations as targets for future Glory
yes please - Monarchy
shall we work through the agenda I sent
Beta says: Also - we have some horsemen now, and more in the near future, so military planning needs to be discussed.
Paddy says: excellent
Beta says: Sounds good.
Paddy says: 1.
Beta says: I think we can move right to Agenda item 2. Your pstatement was well received in the Babylonian Senate.
Paddy says: thank you
Beta says: And thank you.
Paddy says: 2.
Beta says: I have the agenda up in another window.
yes - LB - quite an enigma.
Paddy says: 2.1
Paddy says: so you have more troops avail?
Beta says: OK - we have some horsemen now (read - more than 3) with more on the way.
We also have bowmen - lots - but there slower movement is an issue.
Paddy says: Horse will be so important
Beta says: Also - we would like to delay our GA as long as possible.
Paddy says: Red Guard Operations (RGO) would like to see your horse gather and start moving soon
your initial 3 - 4 horse would make a great battle patrol for picking off stray DR troops over on the war front
Beta says: Understood. We can do this.
Paddy says: thus not setting off you GA, by keeping your bowmen at home
thus a 2nd Babylonian Battle Patrol could be what swings the final outcome
Beta says: Understood.
Paddy says: Aqua and his team are active, Trip and others have their names in that team
they all have mighty and fearsome egos and reputaions
Paddy says: 2.2
Beta says: A great combination.
I see you have swords - with fierce names.
Paddy says: hehe
Our Swords Units are a precious component of the Horde Red Guard (Army)
Beta says: So I presume you are ready to go now..
Paddy says: we are manourving indeed
Beta says: Ok - and 2.3 Bards?
Paddy says: Bards, the Bards are again on the war path
Paddy says: and sadly again almost by them selves
Beta says: In strength?
Paddy says: yes
Beta says: OK
which brings us to 2.4 - where is DR?
Immortals??
Paddy says: yet in this last turn there has been a change in the DR strength, DR have gone from Weak against Horde and Bards, to now being Average against Horde and Bards
RGO feel that this has to do with a sudden mass upgrade
DR are opposite you
Beta says: Hmmm....
Paddy says: straight across
Beta says: Yes - understood.
Paddy says: You have a small set of Vampires inbetween
Beta says: But LB is now in the way.
hehe
Paddy says: they are not the effectual
Beta says: Are DR still in despotism - I assume as such,
Paddy says: and there is plenty of room for your forces to move through without crossing LB lands
Beta says: Agreed. Horseman Sheridan is up in that neck of the woods.
Paddy says: ahhh good
I will organize a new set of maps and get them off in a diplomatic pouch in the coming days
Beta says: Thank you.
So - DR still in despotism?
Paddy says: I believe they are
Beta says: Beauty.
Paddy says: I have no intel to show otherwise
Beta says: Ok- 2.6..
How do we want to handle it?
Personally,, I like the element of surprise.
Paddy says: indeed
Beta says: No need for DR to know that Babylon is also coming.
Paddy says: hehe
Beta says: As to the Lost Boys??? Who knows.
Paddy says: would do them a nice surprise to suddenly be facing one of your battle patrols
Beta says: I honestly think it is a case of 1889 simply playing it like a SP game - as he has few other active team members.
Agreed.
Paddy says: I corresponded at length via email with 1889 of the LB's last night
Beta says: However, 1889 is no slouch at civ, and should not be uner0rated.
Paddy says: he wants no war with Aqua, but feels he may possibly be swayed
Beta says: under-rated
Paddy says: hehe
indeed
Beta says: Will he stay neutral?
Paddy says: that I do not really know
I see him playing all his cards on several levels
an element we all need to watch
Beta says: Yes - I watched him in icr1, when he faced ana attack by Russia (jshelr) and Bablyon(mfc??) and he held them off.
Paddy says: yes indeed
Beta says: I figured he was a goner.
Paddy says: I have found him very resilient to such matters as well
Beta says: He is building well too.
Paddy says: and having the team to himself allows him a lot of freedom
indeed, splitting the map
Beta says: hehe - indeed.
So - unless he gangs up with AM to attack us - and that is very highly unlikely - I think we will be OK.
Paddy says: ok, 3.?
Beta says: But we will keep an eye open.
Paddy says: indeed
Beta says: yes, 3.
Enough said IMO.
Paddy says: Please know that the Horde is fully commited to the Three Nation Alliance (TNA)
Beta says: and nods,
Paddy says: We, the Horde, are serious to get this show on the road
TNA is a great device to see all parties suceed and develop in all the right directions
do you have any questions for me on 3.?
Beta says: No, sounds good. My concern was always for the longer-term and bigger picture.
But you have settled any fears babylonians may have,
Paddy says: ok. thank you for your understanding in this.
4.
I see this as no longer an issue
Beta says: I agree with your position. It was quite an issue within Babylon.
Now - behind us.
Paddy says: thank you
Beta says: Down the road - we will be more than willing to deal with the AM issue together.
Which sort of answers 5.7
Paddy says: a discussion for another day
Beta says: Agreed.
Paddy says: hehe
5.
5.1
Beta says: Best team in the game.
Paddy says: hehehe
well said
Paddy says: 5.4
We be Horde
Beta says: More seriously, we are struggling with our initial intent of peace and prosperity - and the reality of a smalll world with 6 civs.
We will play a balanced approach. And we like the TNA.
Paddy says: The Horde has a great many contributors and look upon the world as a mettling pot for sharing and developing these ideas into a great and wonderful future for all the peoples.
Growth and Happiness
Peace and Prosperity
yet so too we see that the warmongers are alive and have gathered to seek out death and destruction
We too see the TNA as a good device for the Growth and Development of a Happy and Peaceful world.
In this we will utilize the resources that we have available.
Beta says: Agreed.
No problem. May I suggets we move along to 6. I am completely bagged.
hehe
Paddy says: indeed
Beta says: Yes - when last I glanced - Monarchy in 3-4, maybe 5. I can chcek and confirm.
Paddy says: either is good
Beta says: checking ....
Paddy says: ok, thank you
Beta says: 4
Paddy says: tx
Beta says: >From what I can tell from the turn threads and without restarting civ.
Paddy says: The Horde Auditor General has been singing songs of this technology over his beer jug for weeks
Beta says: hehe
LB has been flogging CoL with us for a while now.
Paddy says: Seems each time I wander the streets of Khans Blood Hall, our capital, I have him asking me when will we be recieving it.
Beta says: Where do we stand on contsruction and currency?
hehe - bureaucrats!
Paddy says: I feel that these techs are 15 - 20 turns away
hehe
Beta says: Are they underway?
Paddy says: although DR has currency
yes they are
Beta says: What say ye of trading LB Monarchy for currency.
Paddy says: hmmmm
do you see Monarchy helping DR?
Beta says: My only concern is that 1889 may trade it to DR.
Paddy says: I feel at this time LB and DR are just swapping everything
indeed
Beta says: Yes - agreed.
And AM?
Paddy says: they have issues
Beta says: Just trying to survive??
Paddy says: they are growing, and have a strong pressence
Beta says: Later.
Paddy says: yes indeed
Paddy says: can I come back to you on the LB Currency issue
Beta says: yep - it all depends on what we feel is best for the alliance. We make the call together.
Paddy says: I would like to get more input from Hordeland Control, Auditor Generals Department, and the Blood Cell, our Foreign Affairs department
Beta says: Man - I can imgaine all the memos.
And committees.
And sub-committees.
Paddy says: We be Horde, we have a central meeting hall, The Wild Boar, which is basically our pub. Many meetings are held there, and many a Council member can be found there wrapped in rugs sleeping off the effects of the brews of truth
Beta says: Ahhhh - a committee.
Paddy says: indeed
Beta says: Ok - what are the Bards bringing to the tech table?
Paddy says: and the barmaids know how to look after us well
Beta says: hehe
Paddy says: Construction
Beta says: Wonderful.
Paddy says: indeed
Paddy says: They are working hard on so so many fronts
Beta says: Ok - and the road between us - item 7.1 (sorry Paddy - I'm almost asleep here mate.)
Paddy says: TNA really rocks this world
what are your feelings on such a road
not necessary for this moment
Beta says: 11;19pm here. And work tomorrow.
Paddy says: indeed, I appreciate your patience as I rattle along
Beta says: The idea sounds good. Both for trade - and to get horsemen places quickly.
I will need to discuss with Klo, jon, et al, to see what they say.
Paddy says: indeed
Beta says: Big investment at this stage of the game.
Paddy says: yes a massive investment
something we can both look at for the future
Beta says: agreed.
OK - how do we/you communicate this to Bards?
Paddy says: I discussed with Mac yesturday the need for another TNA Summit
that way you can be brought on line with all the current DR War plans
matters that are mainly Bard Troop issues, thus the reason I am not going into them too deeply here
Bards operational security is very important to me
Beta says: Understood. Sounds good.
Paddy says: Please understand I trust you, I just feel they should be the ones to tell is all
thanks
Beta says: Ok - if you can send me the transcript... it would be appreciated.
I will confirm the timing on Monarchy.
Paddy says: so with your permission I will circulate a request for the TNA to meet for another summit on MSN Messenger
along the same lines as before
Beta says: Yep.
Paddy says: Transcript about two hours out
Paddy says: Do you have any further questions for me?
Beta says: And I will get the First Babylonaina Cavalry Corps on the move.
Beta says: Nope - sounds good Paddy.
Paddy says: First Babylonaina Cavalry Corps - awesome
First Babylonaina Cavalry Corps, definitly a war breaker
TNA rox
Beta says: hehe
Ok - thanks for the chat Paddy.
This was good.
Paddy says: I look forward to some further details on their movements etc
and will send some maps this day as well
Beta says: Sounds good. Good night my friend.
Paddy says: Yes thank you, and please send my thanks to your ever patient people.
Paddy says: Good night matey
Beta says: And ditto to yours. Part hard!
Paddy says: indeed
Beta says: Party hard!
Paddy says: bye |
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skrobism
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I like TNA much better than A3.
Sounds good. Thanks for the late night Beta. I'll have to view the jpgs later.
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