29-03-2005 06:09									#91
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I don't know why y'all are getting your panties in a twist. These laws are there so that a broad section of the population -- albeit a minority -- doesn't feel coerced into doing what they believe to be morally repugnant.

I'm all for this.

	29-03-2005 06:09									#92
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You would be.

	29-03-2005 06:12									#93
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We have many laws to protect minorities from having to do something that they find objectionable to the highest degree. Why would this be any different?

Sounds to me like you want to force your beliefs on others.

	29-03-2005 06:14									#94
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quote: Originally posted by DanS We have many laws to protect minorities from having to do something that they find objectionable to the highest degree

Really? So, as I asked earlier, you're saying that I can get a job at a pork-rendering plant and then turn around and refuse to touch pig by-products?

Thanks for the info, Dan.

	29-03-2005 06:15									#95
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I'd like to know what laws you're referring to. Because as far as I can tell, you're full of ****.

	29-03-2005 06:15									#96
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Well, is a pharmacy merely an abortifacient dispensing station? Your analogy is weak.

	29-03-2005 06:15									#97
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quote: Originally posted by DanS I don't know why y'all are getting your panties in a twist. These laws are there so that a broad section of the population -- albeit a minority -- doesn't feel coerced into doing what they believe to be morally repugnant. I'm all for this.

This sounds exactly like the stuff the commies spout, DanS. Are you claiming that a legal contract is coercion?

	29-03-2005 06:16									#98
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quote: Are you claiming that a legal contract is coercion?

No. Where did you come up with that?

	29-03-2005 06:17									#99
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Well, is a pharmacy merely an abortifacient dispensing station? Your analogy is weak.

No, but dispensing contraceptives is a reasonable expectation for the employer to have of his employee when he hires somebody. The employee is the one with the responsibility to get an exemption ahead of time written into their contract.

	29-03-2005 06:17									#100
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quote: Originally posted by DanS No. Where did you come up with that?

How else is the person being coerced?

	29-03-2005 06:17									#101
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Yep, it's pretty interesting to see some Commie/socdems here defend the fire-at-will procedures, while DanS is defending the little man. Amazing

	29-03-2005 06:19									#102
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quote: but dispensing contraceptives is a reasonable expectation for the employer to have when he hires somebody

Well, there lies the rub. Some contraceptives are abortifacients or potential abortifacients. Whether or not it is a "reasonable expectation" for an employer to expect that his employer will sell these drugs is a matter of opinion.

	29-03-2005 06:19									#103
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quote: No, but dispensing contraceptives is a reasonable expectation for the employer to have of his employee when he hires somebody. The employee is the one with the responsibility to get an exemption ahead of time written into their contract.

Agreed.

	29-03-2005 06:19									#104
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quote: Originally posted by DanS We have many laws to protect minorities from having to do something that they find objectionable to the highest degree. Why would this be any different?

Name me one law that requires an employer to accomodate an employee's religious beliefs to the extent that it renders the employee incapable of doing the designated job. That is not required of employers whatsoever.

quote: Sounds to me like you want to force your beliefs on others.

Funny, that's what I would say a pharmacist who refused to fulfill someone else's prescription was doing. After all, it's not he who is in need of the prescription.

	29-03-2005 06:20									#105
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Religious objections to duties reasonably within the scope of an employee's job description are not a valid excuse for failing to carry them out.

	29-03-2005 06:20									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Yep, it's pretty interesting to see some Commie/socdems here defend the fire-at-will procedures, while DanS is defending the little man. Amazing

This is not fire-at-will but fire-for-cause

	29-03-2005 06:22									#107
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Well, there lies the rub. Some contraceptives are abortifacients or potential abortifacients. Whether or not it is a "reasonable expectation" for an employer to expect that his employer will sell these drugs is a matter of opinion.

No it isn't. They're medications, they're prescribed by a doctor, they're legal and they're being requested by a patient.

Keep twisting, Dan.

	29-03-2005 06:22									#108
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The guvm't sets reasonable contract terms all the time.

	29-03-2005 06:23									#109
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Whether or not it is a "reasonable expectation" for an employer to expect that his employer will sell these drugs is a matter of opinion.

No, it isn't. If the drugs are legal and the pharmacy carries them, it is perfectly reasonable that they expect their employees to dispense them.

I'd love to see a convenience store clerk try to keep his job if he refused to sell cigarettes or alcohol to customers out of religious convictions. You think he would be able to?

	29-03-2005 06:24									#110
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I guess it's time to gang-rape DanS now...

	29-03-2005 06:24									#111
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quote: They're medications

That are also abortifacients or potential abortifacients. Reasonable people disagree on the issue of abortion.

	29-03-2005 06:25									#112
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Reasonable people disagree on the morality of handling pork or drinking alcohol.

Until they make booze or bacon illegal a supermarket clerk has to sell them.

	29-03-2005 06:26									#113
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quote: I guess it's time to gang-rape DanS now...

You can count me out on that one. I'm sure Boris will more than make up for my absence, though...

	29-03-2005 06:27									#114
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quote: Originally posted by DanS That are also abortifacients or potential abortifacients. Reasonable people disagree on the issue of abortion.

Which is entirely irrelevant to whether or not a pharmacist should be expected by his employer to fulfill his job duties or not when it comes to dispensing legal drugs carried by the pharmacy.

	29-03-2005 06:27									#115
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Reasonable people disagree on the issue of eating pork, but Jewish grocery clerks still can't refuse to sell pork.

Edit: KrazyHorse is a big fat doodoohead.

	29-03-2005 06:27									#116
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quote: I'd love to see a convenience store clerk try to keep his job if he refused to sell cigarettes or alcohol to customers out of religious convictions. You think he would be able to?

I don't know. I've refused to do something that I found morally objectionable and was not fired.

	29-03-2005 06:29									#117
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What if the pharmacist owned the store?

I might also add that a proprietary employer can only go so far with regards to ordering its professional employees to perform services that the professional employee feels uncomfortable with. My employer couldn't force me to deliver babies in her clinic.

	29-03-2005 06:29									#118
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quote: Reasonable people disagree on the issue of eating pork, but Jewish grocery clerks still can't refuse to sell pork.

As far as I know, Jews don't believe that it is wrong for gentiles to eat pork.

	29-03-2005 06:29									#119
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quote: Originally posted by DanS I don't know. I've refused to do something that I found morally objectionable and was not fired.

So? No one said the company was obligated to fire someone. If they're willing to accomodate them, that's up to the company. But the point was that they don't have to.

Are you sick or something? I've never seen you make such atrocious arguments before.

	29-03-2005 06:30									#120
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We've already been over that. I don't really feel that the pharmacist should have any responsibility in that case other than to give the prescription back and refer to another pharmacy...