29-03-2005 06:31									#121
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Are you sick or something? I've never seen you make such atrocious arguments before.

He's been on a downward slide lately...

	29-03-2005 06:31									#122
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove What if the pharmacist owned the store?

We've already made that exception. Private business owner can choose to carry/dispense whatever products he wants. But he can't discriminate in his dispensation (i.e., only give it to married women).

	29-03-2005 06:32									#123
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quote: No one said the company was obligated to fire someone.

Well you asked me whether or not the employee could get away with refusing to do something. I answered the question rather satisfactorily.

	29-03-2005 06:33									#124
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Well you asked me whether or not the employee could get away with refusing to do something. I answered the question rather satisfactorily.

I don't think so. Considering the amount of revenue a convenience store makes from cigs/booze, I would bet you a ton of money that refusal to sell those items wouldn't be tolerated.

	29-03-2005 06:36									#125
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Boris, you're asking a hypothetical that neither you nor I can answer. I was merely giving my experience in what I believed to be an analogous situation. They had me sell cigarettes instead of porn.

	29-03-2005 06:43									#126
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dans is becoming dumber because of his rightwing convictions.

	29-03-2005 06:43									#127
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Hey, I mention porn and look who shows up.

	29-03-2005 06:51									#129
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im like a blood hound.

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Did you do a search just now for "porn" or something?

I don't think I'd sell cigs any more, though. My sense of morality has evolved.

	29-03-2005 06:59									#132
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Well, there lies the rub. Some contraceptives are abortifacients or potential abortifacients. Whether or not it is a "reasonable expectation" for an employer to expect that his employer will sell these drugs is a matter of opinion.

It's a pharmacy. Most pharmacies sell these things. These drugs are exactly the sort of thing one would expect a pharmacy to sell. Ergo, it is a reasonable expectation.

	29-03-2005 06:59									#133
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no no no, it was totally random. i think though that the morality to smoke cigerettes is not placed in the provider of them, but in the consumer.

	29-03-2005 07:01									#134
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Why did we arrive at porn?

Are we now talking about forcing fundy pharmacists to sell porn to lone women?

	29-03-2005 07:01									#135
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name one abortifacient sold in america

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In my opinion, the provider is partly responsible. That's why my thinking evolved on the issue. I would neither sell cigarettes nor invest in a company that made it a large part of its business to do trade in cigarettes.

	29-03-2005 07:05									#137
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quote: name one abortifacient sold in america

Easy. The pill.

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quote: Originally posted by DanS In my opinion, the provider is partly responsible. That's why my thinking evolved on the issue.

Yeah, well, good luck trying to BAN these things

	29-03-2005 07:06									#139
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What is the relationship between the pill and abortion?

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I refer you to BK's post some time ago.

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thats where youre wrong. do you even know how birth control pills work DanS. do you even know what abortifacient means? your lack of knowledge on the subject should bar you from making comment.

	29-03-2005 07:12									#142
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quote: The pill can work as an abortifacient, in hardening the endometrium to prevent the embryo from implanting.

if this fits the definition of abortion then abortion could never be wrong. That what the point of these goddamn pills is.

	29-03-2005 07:13									#143
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quote: do you even know how birth control pills work DanS

Sure.

quote: do you even know what abortifacient means?

Yes.

	29-03-2005 07:16									#144
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then i dont see how you can apply that definition to birth control pills.

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quote: That what the point of these goddamn pills is.

Not all the time. But I digress. I would have thought somebody would have glommed on to this fact to attack my position. But, ehhh...

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unless it was changing the definition to coincide with your own ideology.

	29-03-2005 07:22									#147
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Pills today work on three main aspects: they produce hormones that help prevent the production of a fertile egg, they prevent the survival of the egg in case it gets produced anyway, and they prevent sperm from reaching it in case it survives.

Please explain me what it has to do with the act of terminating an embryo, I'm interested

	29-03-2005 07:22									#148
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I have had other...

activities that have refocused my attention away.

quote: The discrimination is based not on religious beliefs but an unwillingness to ****ing do the job you're supposed to do. What you just said is akin to saying that by forcing their employees to work with pig remains a pork rendering plant is discriminating against Jews and Muslims.

So to be a pharmacist is now solely about dispensing contraception?

	29-03-2005 07:25									#149
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quote: By definition the embryo is not an embryo before it implants. It is a zygote.

Nope.

A zygote is comprised of a single cell. When cell division has commenced, the child is no longer termed a zygote, but an embryo.

	29-03-2005 07:28									#150
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Well, in any event, it is sometimes an abortifacient. We could sit here and argue it all night (not something I care to do, but if you want to know the normal arguments, then google is your friend), but the most important thing to note is that pharmacists may understand it to be an abortifacient and therefore would fall under such a conscience exception.

Nobody's taking up my invite to attack me on the weakness of the argument with regard to the pill.

Oh well.