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I have not seen any mention of this in the off topic.

I'm still not fully informed of the details myself. But here's some links to start you off.

Bush states he's against the minuteman border patrol. This should come as no surprise. Bush wants cheap mexixan/south american labor.
http://www.rense.com/general63/decries.htm

This article mentions the ACLU will monitor this group.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=43220

This article says a central american gang will target the minutmen, and teach a lesson to the americans. We'll see. I figure they are all talk, but we may encounter violent clashes between american citizens and foreigners. It will be intersting to see what the U.S. response will be.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/2...25306-7868r.htm

Are they vigilantes?
http://www.ipsnews.net/new_nota.asp?idnews=27327

I really can't support what they are doing, but it doesn't upset me either. They are free to do what they want. They will find out what happens when they kill someone in a violent clash. They will face prison or be killed.

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Founder James Gilchrist describes the Minuteman Project - named after militiamen of the American Revolution - as vital to protect the country from the security threat of uncontrolled immigration.

It is "a grassroots effort to bring Americans to the defence of their homeland", he says, which is "devoured and plundered by the menace of tens of millions of invading illegal aliens".


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4384855.stm

that tells me all I need to know about them.

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Wasn't "minuteman" the name for a nuclear missile?

Cool border guard. Each time an illegal alien crosses the border, a nuclear missile is launched at Mexico

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Wasn't "minuteman" the name for a nuclear missile?

Cool border guard. Each time an illegal alien crosses the border, a nuclear missile is launched at Mexico

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yes it's the name of an intercontinental ballistic missile. A nuke.

But the name of the nuke of course took its name from militia during the revolutionary war.

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It is "a grassroots effort to bring Americans to the defence of their homeland", he says, which is "devoured and plundered by the menace of tens of millions of invading illegal aliens".


Which is complete and utter horseshit because illegal immigrants pump more money into the government through (illegally collected) taxes than they take out in government benefits...they can't claim taxes owed back to them since they don't have SSNs and even applying for federal benefits risks drawing attention to their illegal status. I don't have a link, but in my Anthro class we're studying the plight of illegal immigrants ("undocumented workers" pc bs) entering, then leaving, then entering, then leaving, then entering the US again seasonally. Give me a f*cking break. Mr. Gilchrist, I'd pay $1000 to see you breaking your back 7 days a week for an entire season picking strawberries for sh*t pay, no benefits, and constant criminal exposure to pesticides. Call me when you've decided you want the job for yourself instead of some Mexican having it and you can collect your reward from me...

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The "plight"? They aren't forced to come here

I don't have anything against them (besides the illegal status in the first place), but I don't have any pity towards them, either.

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re: illegal immigrants, either kick them out or make them legal. It's stupid to say "oh, we shouldn't enforce the law because we need the immigrants" - if you have a law, you should enforce it or repeal it.

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re: illegal immigrants, either kick them out or make them legal. It's stupid to say "oh, we shouldn't enforce the law because we need the immigrants" - if you have a law, you should enforce it or repeal it.


The Republicans want to let them stay to please business intrests, but want them to stay "illegal" so the racist/xenophobic branch of the party is not angered.

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With the Mexican government publishing tips for illegals, it kind of lessens any problem I might have with people aiding the job of the Border Patrol.

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Why is it that these rednecks feel the need to appropriate 18th century New England cultural ideals for their own twisted, xenophobic purposes?

I'm talking about the term "minuteman". Do they think it gives them legitimacy?

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Why is it that these rednecks feel the need to appropriate 18th century New England cultural ideals for their own twisted, xenophobic purposes?

I'm talking about the term "minuteman". Do they think it gives them legitimacy?



Of course.


In the same way that 'Moral Majority' is meant to mean that they are all 'moral' or a 'majority' .

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With the Mexican government publishing tips for illegals, it kind of lessens any problem I might have with people aiding the job of the Border Patrol.


The Mexican Government is not encouraging anyone to cross any border illegaly. They are simply recognizing the fact that millions do cross the border every year and end up in very bad situations, if not dead. Telling them not to cross will not work, so you may as well help them to do it safely. Its a humanitarian issue.

And they're not "tips", its merely advice on how not to die in the Arizona desert and what they're legal rights are once they reach the US (yes, even illegals have rights).

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Of course.


In the same way that 'Moral Majority' is meant to mean that they are all 'moral' or a 'majority' .


You're probably right. As a New Englander that pisses me off. They're running our culture through the mud.

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The West really has a fvcked up reactionary view of illegals. Pat Buchanan's peasants with pitchforks hit high tide in Arizona, as I recall. I much prefer the more practical Texas view.

That said, these militias are there because the government either has been unwilling or otherwise unable to deal with the problem. If we took away those militias altogether (of which I am in favor), we would still have the problem.

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The "plight"? They aren't forced to come here

I don't have anything against them (besides the illegal status in the first place), but I don't have any pity towards them, either.


Of course not. People living in poverty shouldn't do anything about their condition should they, ..... oh wait

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The Republicans want to let them stay to please business intrests, but want them to stay "illegal" so the racist/xenophobic branch of the party is not angered.


Why do you exclude the farmers from the racists?

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And they're not "tips",
Sure it is. *wink* *nudge* That's probably why the comic gives no information on the steps for seeking a US visa.

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Yea theres that whole freedom of assembly thing.

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Which is complete and utter horseshit because illegal immigrants pump more money into the government through (illegally collected) taxes than they take out in government benefits...they can't claim taxes owed back to them since they don't have SSNs and even applying for federal benefits risks drawing attention to their illegal status. I don't have a link, but in my Anthro class we're studying the plight of illegal immigrants ("undocumented workers" pc bs) entering, then leaving, then entering, then leaving, then entering the US again seasonally. Give me a f*cking break. Mr. Gilchrist, I'd pay $1000 to see you breaking your back 7 days a week for an entire season picking strawberries for sh*t pay, no benefits, and constant criminal exposure to pesticides. Call me when you've decided you want the job for yourself instead of some Mexican having it and you can collect your reward from me...


Bullshit. First off we suffer a 10 Billion dollar tax loss to these people. Then we lose out on Remittances, money they send home. We don't run a trade surplus with them so all of that money just leaves our economy. Then we lose out on the fact that Businesses have so much labor that they don't have to innovate and move up to requiring manufacturing and tech. Then our legal immigrants lose out because the people that compete for their jobs are: you guessed it, those illegals.

I find it troubling that you would think that we need a ghettoized slave labor class in this country for any reason.

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I'd join the patrol if I had the time to do so.

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I'm talking about the term "minuteman". Do they think it gives them legitimacy?


French equivalents drape themselves in Joan of Arc.


But, really, this is just a cover for impotent bullies to rape, lynch, and kill scapegoats they blame for their own failings.

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I started the process to become a border patrol agent once. Luckily the process to become a federal agent is long so before I became one I changed my mind because I didn't believe in the work.

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All these people are doing is patroling parts of the border, and reporting any illegal crossers to the border patrols. That's all they are doing: reporting law breakers to law enforcement.

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All these people are doing is patroling parts of the border, and reporting any illegal crossers to the border patrols. That's all they are doing: reporting law breakers to law enforcement.


You forget that patrolmen and women are nothing more than vile, inbred Eichmanns eager to wage a genocidal attack on noble, good hearted, and valiant oppressed people who are coming to our land with the purest of intentions.

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That statement isn't far enough from the truth to be good sarcasm.

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That statement isn't far enough from the truth to be good sarcasm.




Heard of the MS-13s?

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I've lived in California all my life. I know people who have immigrated here from Mexico undocumented and I know lots of anti-immigration racists also.

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I've lived in California all my life. I know people who have immigrated here from Mexico undocumented and I know lots of anti-immigration racists also.


Anti-immigration and anti-illegal immigration aren't mutually inclusive positions.

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Anti-immigration and anti-illegal immigration aren't mutually inclusive positions.


If you oppose making immigration legal than you are anti-immigration. Either you deny people the right to cross a line or you don't.

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If you oppose making immigration legal than you are anti-immigration. Either you deny people the right to cross a line or you don't.


Being against illegal immigration doesn't mean you must be against all forms of immigration. It only means that you demand that all prospective immigrants follow the legal processes necessary to immigrate legally to the country. The border patrol isn't concerned with green card holding resident aliens, it's concerned with illegal intruders.

 
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