31-03-2005 03:52									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Asher There is room for both, they are both for different games. I don't get your comments about FPS games on consoles though. Halo 2 MP is far more popular than the current PC FPS multiplayer games combined, and people even pay monthly/yearly to play it online. I think the people have spoken, and most don't agree that FPS is best on PC.

Of course the People sez the best franchise on the PC is the Sims, by far. G-d bless the people. "Ma, we IZ the people"

	31-03-2005 03:53									#62
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Of course the People sez the best franchise on the PC is the Sims, by far. G-d bless the people. "Ma, we IZ the people"

Sadly, The Sims is one of the better and most original games I've seen on the PC in a long, long time.

	31-03-2005 03:54									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Asher MS has what's called an "Incubation" program -- games with little to no budget that MS think has potential, MS throws wads of cash at them to get it developed. But you are right in that the Xbox thankfully does with less games like Superpower.

And of course MS is the best way to find new developers, not the messy diversity of independent publishing. Worship MS, all ye faithful.

	31-03-2005 03:54									#64
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where are the console TBS!

	31-03-2005 03:54									#65
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark And of course MS is the best way to find new developers, not the messy diversity of independent publishing. Worship MS, all ye faithful.

Name a good game indepedently published last year.

	31-03-2005 03:55									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Asher There is room for both, they are both for different games. I don't get your comments about FPS games on consoles though. Halo 2 MP is far more popular than the current PC FPS multiplayer games combined, and people even pay monthly/yearly to play it online. I think the people have spoken, and most don't agree that FPS is best on PC.

I've tried both (and I have a different perspective as I used to play FPS seriously) and console FPS just aren't as good for a competitive circuit. I'm sure a circuit will appear, but alongside a PC FPS circuit.

And as I said, RTS and MMORPG are very popular, with no competition yet from consoles.

	31-03-2005 03:55									#67
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 where are the console TBS!

TBS? Grow up and play Go like the rest of people.

TBS computer games are like training wheels. It's time to play real strategy games.

	31-03-2005 03:55									#68
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark I dont have a large screen TV - we're not a TV kinda family. I think thats a reason these comparisons never make sense to me. They always seem to assume at least one large TV per household member.

I was stating my personal reasons for it: I invested money into a home entertainment center, as opposed to buying a sound system/larger monitor etc for my PC.

I used to play PC games all the time - now, I've switched to Xbox. The only thing I miss is how superb Ghost Recon was for the PC.

And for you Xbox users out there: Wouldn't it be great if Xbox Live allowed, say, the host, to play music from his XBox HD during a pregame lobby? Emphasize and improve the social aspect of the system.

	31-03-2005 03:56									#69
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike I've tried both (and I have a different perspective as I used to play FPS seriously) and console FPS just aren't as good for a competitive circuit. I'm sure a circuit will appear, but alongside a PC FPS circuit. And as I said, RTS and MMORPG are very popular, with no competition yet from consoles.

Why on earth do you think RTS is 'very popular' today? Haven't you seen Rise of Nation's sales figures...

And FFXI is popular on PS2. The reason it's not "popular" in consoles is because of the communication problem (lack of keyboard), which has pretty much been resolved with the voice communication. Except it to explode with Xbox2/PS3.

	31-03-2005 03:57									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Name a good game indepedently published last year.

im a bargain bin diver, i havent bought any recent games ( a result of getting into electronic games late in life).

I just bought the Paradox 6 pack - I suppose theyre big enough for Xbox, but they werent a few years ago, I think. I got EU2, HOI, Vickie (and 3 others) # outstanding games. Nothing like ANY of them on the xbox.

	31-03-2005 03:57									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Why on earth do you think RTS is 'very popular' today? Haven't you seen Rise of Nation's sales figures...

I've been talking about the MP circuit, as I've made clear several times. Don't be awkward.

	31-03-2005 03:58									#72
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I don't like any of those games, so yay for me.

The reason they're independently published is because publishers knew they'd sell like crap.

	31-03-2005 04:00									#73
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike I've been talking about the MP circuit, as I've made clear several times. Don't be awkward.

Why the hell does this matter, how popular is the MP circuit to begin with?

I just don't understand your point.

"Halo parties" (Xbox LAN parties) are far, far more popular here at work (Toronto) and home (Calgary) than PC LAN parties ever have been.

	31-03-2005 04:00									#74
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The People also have 2 new platforms - online puzzle and word games, paid by advertising. This is a large and growing market, and the "casualness" of it makes the Sims look like EU2, from what i understand. And there are cell phone games, perhaps the fastest growing market. PC vs Console debates are like, SO 2003.

G-d bless the People.

	31-03-2005 04:01									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I don't like any of those games, so yay for me. The reason they're independently published is because publishers knew they'd sell like crap.

Read any books lately?

	31-03-2005 04:01									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Asher When it comes out, I anticipate it will own PC games for at least two years.

And if you'd qualified this sweeping statement with your later responses to me about their being room for both markets because of certain genres it would have been more balanced.

	31-03-2005 04:03									#77
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike And if you'd qualified this sweeping statement with your later responses to me about their being room for both markets because of certain genres it would have been more balanced.

And if you'd read the thread...

I was referring to the technical abilities, since great game design isn't restricted to one platform or another.

	31-03-2005 04:05									#78
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Read any books lately?

Yes

What are you trying to imply, old man?

	31-03-2005 04:06									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Yes What are you trying to imply, old man?

great link

	31-03-2005 04:07									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Why the hell does this matter, how popular is the MP circuit to begin with?

It matters to me, for both FPS and RTS. Therefore I am offering it as my reason I envisage playing PC games (maybe alongside console games, I don't know) for the forseeable future. You don't have my priorities? Fine, I don't really care.

But don't make sweeping statements - there are things (many points have been made by lots of posters) that the PC does better, and saying that doesn't mean we're saying consoles are crap or anything.

There is room for both markets is my conclusion, for several reasons.

	31-03-2005 04:09									#81
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see what i mean spikey - our old two types of gamers question. And not casual vs hardcore - Asher aint a casual gamer, and neither am I. Yet are there two more polar opposite approaches?

	31-03-2005 04:09									#82
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You cant have a console without a PC.

God bless Usenet.

	31-03-2005 04:12									#83
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i see no reason to buy a console. Nothing available for the console that im at all interested in (other than MAYBE Kotor, ported to PC). Plenty of PC games im interested in. Need a new PC anyway, gaming aside. Would need an additional TV to accomodate a console without creating conflicts. Xbox will cost about $400. Cheapo PC, WITH monitor, little more than that (sorry spikey) Extra TV will cost a couple of hundred.

No brainer for the PC.

	31-03-2005 04:14									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Asher TBS? Grow up and play Go like the rest of people. TBS computer games are like training wheels. It's time to play real strategy games.

If that's the case, why are you hanging around Poly? RTS has its charms, but not having time to think and plan carefully is a major drawback.

I didn't get an XBox, don't even have a PS2 or any other current-gen console. I'll wait for the new junk to come along and buy the "obsolete" PS2 when prices drop like rocks, if I buy anything at all. If they ape MS and stop making PS2s, oh well. I don't play that much anyway. Halo's the main thing the XBox has going for it, and I'm terrible at shooters.

I'll reiterate my accustomed point WRT console vs. PC: it's rather fun to be able to sit back in a cushy chair, as opposed to hunching up next to the monitor, to have the guy you're playing against talking trash right next to you instead of typing it with obnoxious 1337-gibberish, to have a nice big screen, to have minimal problems with slowdown, and to not be at the mercy of the frigging server. But I guess that last one's more a criticism of MMORPGs. Anyway, PC might have its charm but the free and easy nature of a console can hold its own too.

	31-03-2005 04:15									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Elok If that's the case, why are you hanging around Poly?

to troll, obviously.

	31-03-2005 04:31									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Asher TBS? Grow up and play Go like the rest of people. TBS computer games are like training wheels. It's time to play real strategy games.

now you are just trolling

RTS for world conquest games is just silly. You think George Bush has to make split second decisions with regards to the war in iraq? He had months (and years as it was recently reveiled the war was planned prior 9/11) to plan that war (he still ****ed it up, but that's another thread)

	31-03-2005 04:32									#87
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I have both, but until there is a decent version of Civ on a console, the PC PWNS consoles .

	31-03-2005 04:42									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I have both, but until there is a decent version of Civ

We can only wait.

	31-03-2005 05:34									#89
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quote: TBS? Grow up and play Go like the rest of people. TBS computer games are like training wheels. It's time to play real strategy games.

Ban Him!!!

Or we can throw him the river and see if he floats.

	31-03-2005 06:23									#90
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Who the hell is going to pay four or five hundred dollars for a gaming console?