31-03-2005 06:27									#91
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

I would if it could play PC games, allow me to post on poly, and allow me to view porn.

	31-03-2005 06:44									#92
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Ive never bought a console on the day or even first months of release, anyone who does has more money than sense. Id pay £100 at most for a brand new console, then theres the cost of chipping it.

	31-03-2005 07:08									#93
	Full PM-box? Change here!

quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark I would make the following points - a $400 price point for Xbox2 is very interesting from a PC POV. Youre practically up to the price of a new budget PC.

Budget PC's don't make good gaming platforms.

	31-03-2005 07:11									#94
	Increase Your PM Length

quote: Originally posted by DrSpike FPS, RTS and MMORPG, virtually all of the PC MP genres do not have a real counterpart on the console. FPS can be played on a console but it is just not as deep or as skillful, and at the top levels (for a competetive circuit) that matters.

You think the "top levels" make up an even marginally significant part of the market? If they did, they wouldn't be the top levels.

	31-03-2005 07:13									#95
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Of course the People sez the best franchise on the PC is the Sims, by far. G-d bless the people. "Ma, we IZ the people"

The Sims is brilliant.

	31-03-2005 07:18									#96
	Increase Your PM Length

quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Who the hell is going to pay four or five hundred dollars for a gaming console?

Me me me me me!

	31-03-2005 07:19									#97
	Inflate your Upload Space

makes no sense economically.

When PC can play the same games just as well, can surf the internet, get email, allow you to run a business, view porn and other multimedia, listen to CD's, burn CD's, need I go on?

the last console I have ever owned was a Sega Gensesis. And that was only because I did not have a computer at the time. Once I got a computer, there was no need for a console.

	31-03-2005 07:23									#98
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

When a PC lets me play my console games with only a controller while sprawled out on my living room couch with a bigscreen HDTV and Dolby 5.1 surround sound, with zero cheats and an integrated online gaming system, then I'll abandon the use of a console.

In the meantime, I'll continue owning both, and laughing at the 'tards who pick one side of the fence exclusively.

	31-03-2005 07:24									#99
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

controllers suck. mouse and keyboard is superior.

and I'll be laughing because I have that $500 + to spend on more meaningful activities.

	31-03-2005 07:25									#100
	Tired of ads?

For some things, they suck ass for...say...most console games.

I can't stand playing NHL games on the computer.

	31-03-2005 07:25									#101
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: Originally posted by Dissident makes no sense economically. When PC can play the same games just as well, can surf the internet, get email, allow you to run a business, view porn and other multimedia, listen to CD's, burn CD's, need I go on?

I didnt know i could be running a business with a PC, but if i did at least i know now i wouldnt need fork-out for a pen and paper, just get a $400 PC instead.

	31-03-2005 08:13									#102
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: Originally posted by Asher Name a good game indepedently published last year.

Hmm.

Dominions 2 came out in 2003, so that's out.

Is Stardock independent? In that case, Galactic Civilizations.

Moving to bigger fish, what about Paradox Entertainment/Strategy First? I guess they are too mainstream, but they aren't giant and Crusader Kings is one of the best games ever made.

	31-03-2005 08:14									#103
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Mouse and keyboard? Ugh. That's great for Civ, but it forces you to stay right next to the bloody monitor, which is undesirable if you play games to relax. Hunching up in front of the screen for hours is a great way to give yourself a crick in the neck.

	31-03-2005 08:14									#104
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

All of those are ass games, ESPECIALLY GalCiv.

	31-03-2005 08:32									#105
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

You are such a philistine.

	31-03-2005 09:01									#106
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by Elok Mouse and keyboard? Ugh. That's great for Civ, but it forces you to stay right next to the bloody monitor, which is undesirable if you play games to relax. Hunching up in front of the screen for hours is a great way to give yourself a crick in the neck.

I have a nice comfortable office chair. And I sit back when playing games.

	31-03-2005 09:14									#107
	Put an end to popups!

quote: Originally posted by Asher I can't stand playing NHL games on the computer.

Sorry Asher, but sports games are so boring.

I take consolation that you play them on the superior platform, however.

	31-03-2005 09:17									#108
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

and get this, I have a dual action controller for my PC. . And it's long enough I could sit in a recliner if I so choosed to do so.

	31-03-2005 09:18									#109
	Tired of ads?

So now you have a PC that poorly tries to emulate a console. Shame on you.

I will refrain from commenting on the "choosed" part of your post.

	31-03-2005 09:22									#110
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

I meant chose.

	31-03-2005 09:44									#111
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Right, whatever.

Diss is ileturate! Throw rocks at him!

	31-03-2005 10:03									#112
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

Come on, the console is just a dumbed down PC that is purely built to play games.

The PC can do what the console can, but the console cannot do what the PC can.


Yes, I bought an XBOX (to see Halo2, what the hype was etc) and I bought a PS2 (GTA SA). Halo 2 had a good story at the start and all, but I was confused as to why the graphics were not as good as even mediocre FPS games on the PC. (For example, rocks on the ground were made up of like 6 polygons). The ocean water and the open space impressed me, but then again I was more impressed with HL2's water effects.

After about a 1.5 months, I got sick of GTA SA because I STILL felt that the controls were limiting my abilities to play the game. I knew that if I had a mouse and keyboard and a higher resolution monitor my progress in the game would be doubled and it would be more fun.

Same goes for Halo 2.

So I went down to hire another console game out, I looked through all the Xbox games and all the PS2 games... and I could not find one game that looked appealing, 90% of the games seem to be made for children or have corny characters you might see from Dragon Ball Z who seem to have this neverending strength that gets more powerful each episode. It's. Just. Plain. Stupid.

So I sold my PS2, XBox and games. I was very very happy with my PC. I had instant access to the internet, even while playing games, I could mod my games to my liking (not that I do, but if I ever wanted to, I know that I can). I have a high resolution monitor that people can't nag me to watch TV on. I have my trusty keyboard and mouse which can play ALL games, whereas I found that controllers don't suit all games, most, but not all.

I would love to see the most experienced FPS PC player vs the most experienced FPS Console player just to prove that the Keyboard and Mouse is unbeatable.

	31-03-2005 10:08									#113
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Consoles are like Hollywood movies. Main target audience is idiots (or anyone and everyone if you like that better) and the purpose is to make money but it doesn't hurt the company if some of the games are actually good. Consoles are for people who game sometimes and don't care about playing, it's better to let the marketing people decide what's good, don't like it, get another one.
Can the second xbox play wow? No? Worthless.

	31-03-2005 10:15									#114
	Full PM-box? Change here!

consoles are designed for people who find double clicking an icon to start a game too difficult to accomplish.

	31-03-2005 10:15									#115
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: I would love to see the most experienced FPS PC player vs the most experienced FPS Console player just to prove that the Keyboard and Mouse is unbeatable.

Question: Are games about fun to you, or are games about virtual dicksize?

Evidently it's the latter, which is unfortunate.

Reading your post, it seems clear to me that someone like you will only be satisfied with PC games. Which is your loss, IMO.

	31-03-2005 10:18									#116
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Originally posted by Dissident consoles are designed for people who find double clicking an icon to start a game too difficult to accomplish.

Consoles are designed for people who:
1) Like to enjoy a game online without 1337-h4x0rs using wall-hacks
2) Like to enjoy a game without the bullshit of "installing...", crashes, weird graphical fixes that can be fixed by "updating your driver"
3) Like to play their games on the bigscreen with surroundsound with 3 friends next to them
4) Like to sit back and not sit infront of a computer screen
5) Use computers for 99% of their time awake already and like a change
6) Like variety in their gameplay

	31-03-2005 10:46									#117
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Of course, this had to become another pointless console versus PC thread... This is what I call groundhog day thread: it repeats over and over and over again, with the exact same arguments pro and con.

In other news, Splinter Cell: Chaos theory is finally out and it looks like a lot o' fun!

Last edited by nostromo on 31-03-2005 at 10:51

	31-03-2005 12:01									#118
	Put an end to popups!

actually I have nothing against Xbox. If that's what you want to spend your money on, then go ahead. I just find it's not an efficient use of money.

I find myself becoming bored of computer games. I'm not sure why. Games used to keep me entertained for long periods of time. But lately games only hold my interest for a couple of days. I cancelled my World of Warcraft account today (though it's still active for a couple more weeks). I've lost all joy in gaming.

	31-03-2005 12:08									#119
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark what Xbox game has been released that is at all like Europa Universalis 2?

Europa Universalis 2 is being ported to the Nintendo DS



edit to say that I'm most looking forward to Nintendo's Revolution at E3 (lol nintendo lol)

	31-03-2005 12:25									#120
	Suffering from ads?

Asher-

Lemme get this straight. Microsoft was actually LOSING money with each X-Box created? If so, why did they create the machine in the first place? How do they create profits? (insert question here)?