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Kontiki
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Aug 2001
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You can get a Masters of Law and a PhD in Law, on top of a regular LLB.
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KrazyHorse
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Macedonia
May 2001
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Originally posted by GePap
 Man, are you thick. |
Oh, precious. You're so cute when you get defensive.
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And yes, those are comparable, because in the end, someone is working a job they had 4 years fo training for (actually, most Law schools are three years). That one person spent 4 extra years outside of the job market studying something that has 0 correlation to their end career is their choice. |
So you're arguing that the original Bachelor of Arts was completely useless? Funnily enough, I agree with you.
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Or would you claim that someone who studied Liberal arts for 4 years, then egineering for 4 years would have on average a higher income than someone who just did 4 years of engineering, sans the Liberal Arts degree? |
And the day that law schools begin accepting large numbers of students directly from secondary school is the day that I'll agree a law degree should be compared with any other undergraduate degree. As it stands, though, admissions departments look very unfavourably on such applicants, so choosing to take a law degree means 7 years of postsecondary education instead of 4.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
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Originally posted by Asher
Stop focusing on the title.
Start focusing on the years of schooling...
That is the point, you're just elegantly dancing around it like an elephant.
This is a comparison of 4 years of schooling at the Bachelor's Degree level.
If you want, there can also be an 8-years of schooling comparison including Lawyers, Doctors, and PhDs in Engineering. But that's not what this list is. |
Wait, so if I get my bechelors degree in 6 years I am bound to make more money than someone who stupidly rushed their bachelors in 3? Cause its all about the years of schooling, as opposed to having A degree, right?
Also, why are you guys intent on thinking Law Degree's take 4 years? Its 3 years folks, 3.
Now, if I were to open a Law school with an added year of writing training at the begnning, with the very same curriculum as any other law school and gave out the same Law Degree, would this still be a "graduate degree"?
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:25
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Originally posted by GePap
Wait, so if I get my bechelors degree in 6 years I am bound to make more money than someone who stupidly rushed their bachelors in 3? Cause its all about the years of schooling, as opposed to having A degree, right?
Also, why are you guys intent on thinking Law Degree's take 4 years? Its 3 years folks, 3.
Now, if I were to open a Law school with an added year of writing training at the begnning, with the very same curriculum as any other law school and gave out the same Law Degree, would this still be a "graduate degree"? |
Good God, GePap. This is exactly why people like you are on the bottom of that list.
If you could get a law degree in a 4-year program after high school like the rest on these list, it would be acceptable to include it. Since you can't, it's not included.
It doesn't matter if you take 6 years to do a 4-year program, that's not the point.
It also doesn't mater that Law takes 7 years (you could probably do a PhD in Engineering in 7 years also).
The point is it's not a fair comparison -- you're comparing someone with 4 years of schooling to someone with 7 years of schooling. It's a corrupt comparison on its face, it should not be included in this list.
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Kontiki
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Canada
Aug 2001
time: 00:25
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Originally posted by Asher
It's a retarded point made by people who are missing the point.
This is a comparison of 4 years of schooling at the Bachelor's Degree level.
If you want, there can also be an 8-years of schooling comparison including Lawyers, Doctors, and PhDs in Engineering. But that's not what this list is.
I don't care what their title is. |
Actually, GePap does have a point with regards to law, even though he seems to have completely missed the point that I was backing him up. An LLB is considered an undergraduate degree. Take a look at most university websites (McGill is good example). Entrance requirements are two years of undergrad, just like most majors. It has only become a "graduate" degree because of the level of competition to get into most law schools. Without this competition, however, you would theoretically have five years worth of schooling to complete an LLB, not eight, nor would you have more than one degree at the end of it. Also, I'm not aware of any universities that consider an LLB to be a graduate program or students within it to be part of a graduate students' society or whatever equivalent organization there may be.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:25
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Originally posted by Asher
How many times can you miss the patently obvious point? You need to take more science courses to form an analytical mindset, this is embarrassing for you... |
And yet you say the following:
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Based on my anecodtal evidence, no, you would not earn more.
I work with a team of people who have both English degrees and computer science, they're in the same salary bracket as the people with just compsci... |
What exactly then did the extra years of schooling achieve for the people who got English degrees beforehand, given that they decided in the end to go into the field of computer science and thus had to get that degree?
The chart is one of earning power- which is based solely on the type of degree, NOT on "years or schooling".
So the question is, what kind of degree is it? Obviously it is wrong to compare PhD's to non-PhD's. BUt a law degree is NOT A PHD. That has already been made clear by Krazyhorse. IN Fact, a law degree is not even a Master's degree.
IN fact, to make the chart trully accurate, they should also include technical degrees, like Auto repair and so forth, to compare their starting salaries on average.
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:25
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Originally posted by GePap
What exactly then did the extra years of schooling achieve for the people who got English degrees beforehand, given that they decided in the end to go into the field of computer science and thus had to get that degree? |
My understanding is they couldn't get a job with an English degree.
They write technical documentation and books now, by the way. 
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The chart is one of earning power- which is based solely on the type of degree, NOT on "years or schooling". |
Do you really get a Bachelors degree in Law?
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So the question is, what kind of degree is it? Obviously it is wrong to compare PhD's to non-PhD's. BUt a law degree is NOT A PHD. That has already been made clear by Krazyhorse. IN Fact, a law degree is not even a Master's degree. |
A law degree is not a 4-year bachelor's degree. I thought I quoted from the site about what's included?
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IN fact, to make the chart trully accurate, they should also include technical degrees, like Auto repair and so forth, to compare their starting salaries on average. |
Those are not degrees.
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Kontiki
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Canada
Aug 2001
time: 00:25
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Originally posted by Asher
Kontiki: You're arguing semantics.
The point is, 4 years after you graduate from high school, what degree will get you the best starting salary?
That is what this survey is about.
It doesn't make sense to include Law if it requires 7 years. |
Actually, I was kinda arguing this:
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Originally posted by Krazyhorse
No, it's a graduate degree. Just like a PhD is.
Duh.
Do you want to continue making a fool of yourself? |
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:25
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Originally posted by GePap
Actually, that is exactly what is wrong with that arguement:
Given that here in the US and in Canada (thought NOT in many parts of the world) if you want to study LAW and make your profession Law, as opposed to say Engineering, you need to take something in bachelors before you can move on to your required degree.
So the question should be: what is the staring salary for X professions at the point at which you have attained the basic degree necessary to carry that career out. |
That is a different question entirely. That's not what this chart is about. This chart is about 4-year bachelor degrees, period.
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I wonder why the list leaves out degree's such as Chemistry, Physics, Mathematics, or Biology. Those are very popular degrees, yet nowhere on the list. |
I blame the ineptitude of journalist (damn liberal arts majors) for excluding that from CNN's chart, while the information was actually gathered.
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