03-05-2005 21:14									#181
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quote: Originally posted by Ned It actually was in that article written by the German diplomat Braun I quoted in another thread. But as to the NYTimes, they have raised the issue themselves, and apologized for their bad coverage of the USSR. (Yes, this is the 1930's.)

Ned,

You have to be smoking crack. The USSR did not get good press coverage in the US. Get off the pipe man!

	03-05-2005 21:15									#182
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Kid, the NYTimes itself has apologized for its whitewash.

	03-05-2005 21:25									#183
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Kid, the NYTimes itself has apologized for its whitewash.

So what? I apologize for everything positive I've said about the capitalists. I've completely whitewashed what they did. They really were ****ers after all.

	03-05-2005 21:30									#184
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Kid, but you must understand that the propaganda of the NYTimes lead to FDR recognizing the USSR and the whole "Uncle Joe" lie.

	03-05-2005 21:35									#185
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Kid, but you must understand that the propaganda of the NYTimes lead to FDR recognizing the USSR and the whole "Uncle Joe" lie.

Where's the proof Ned? This doesn't have the ring of truth to it.

	03-05-2005 21:37									#186
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Where's the proof Ned? This doesn't have the ring of truth to it.

You don't mean to suggest that the NYTimes has no influence on the thinking of the liberals in this country?

I will get chapter and verse if you wish.

	03-05-2005 21:39									#187
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quote: Originally posted by Ned You don't mean to suggest that the NYTimes has no influence on the thinking of the liberals in this country? I will get chapter and verse if you wish.

Liberals are not communists Ned.

	03-05-2005 21:46									#188
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quote: Originally posted by Ned As to the NYTimes, it greatly influenced American public opinion on Stalin prior to the war. While much of Europe was hostile to Stalin, we were the first country to recognize the USSR and began calling Stalin "Uncle Joe." The NYTimes never reported on the harsh conditions in the USSR caused by collectivization, nor the millions killed in the various purges. Instead they reported that Stalin was doing wonders, etc., etc.

Good old Ned, never lets facts get in his way. The U.S. did not recognize the USSR until the 1930s, many years after many European states already did so. Nor was it the NYT that led the US to recognize the USSR, but the fact that the U.S. came to terms with the fact that the USSR wasn't going to go away anytime soon. By the time we recognized them, they had existed for over 15 years. It's called giving in to reality.

The NYT didn't report on the problems of collectivisation in the USSR because until Kruschev's speech in 1956, no one knew about them. There were only rumors from White emigres, whose anti-Sovietism heavily clouded their reliability.

And the fact is, Stalin was doing wonders in the USSR. He took a 14th Century country and made it the most powerful country in the world, leading the U.S. in science in some areas. He may have been a butcher and a monster, but his reign wasn't entirely bad. Today, there is a strong movement in Russia to rehabilitate the monster.

	03-05-2005 21:48									#189
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Liberals are not communists Ned.

Perhaps not card carrying. But most share many of the goals of communism, particularly they love socialism.

You will note here kid that most of the leftists on this board defend communism against the US.

	03-05-2005 21:49									#190
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leftist /= liberal, Ned.

	03-05-2005 21:51									#191
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Perhaps not card carrying. But most share many of the goals of communism, particularly they love socialism. You will note here kid that most of the leftists on this board defend communism against the US.

Capitalists have their own self-congratulatory history, and communists have their own self-congratulatory history.

	03-05-2005 21:59									#192
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Stop sitting on the fence and take sides, you liberal weenie!

	03-05-2005 21:59									#193
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara leftist /= liberal, Ned.

True, leftist is intended to include liberals, commies, anarchists and whatever.

Che, how would you classify the following:

1) China today.

2) Dear Leader's paradise?

	03-05-2005 22:08									#194
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1) Scary
2) Makes #1 look pleasant.

	03-05-2005 22:26									#195
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If Ned is allowed to throw liberals, socialists and communiists on the same heap (dunno if that is corect English, I'm just a simple Eurokom) can I call Ned a Fascist?

	03-05-2005 22:29									#196
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Yep.

	03-05-2005 22:33									#197
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NED IS HITLER!!!

	03-05-2005 22:37									#198
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Vietnam Ye Ye

Dionysios Savopoulos

Translated by paiktis22.

In Vietnam they set the rice on fire, the rice on fire
In Shaigon you can't live
The air is not enough for you to live

Now hidden in the river you breathe

Fo Mi Chin, you breathe
Breathing with a cane, with a cane

Yeah yea yea yea.....

The weather would have been beautiful in the forest, beautiful in the forest

If the leaves didn't go deaf from the noise
If the sun didn't freeze from the road
Hey if the children didn't eat garbage

If the little rain didn't burn the huts

The little rain if it didn't burn the huts
The weather would have been beautiful in the forest

yeah yea yea yea.....

Fo Mi Chin what would you have really done? what would you have done really
If the children didnt eat garbage
If the gentle rain didnt burn down the huts

You would have taken your girl for a promenade, hand in hand

Fo Mi Chin hand in hand
In the forest for a promenade hand in hand

yeah yea yea yea

	03-05-2005 22:37									#199
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Ned, congrats. You know you've won an arguement with the left when they start attacking you personally.

	03-05-2005 22:39									#200
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quote: Originally posted by Hueij If Ned is allowed to throw liberals, socialists and communiists on the same heap (dunno if that is corect English, I'm just a simple Eurokom) can I call Ned a Fascist?

No, you can call president Hu of China a fascist. I was trying to get Che to say that.

But even if Hu is a fascist, is he on the right or the left? This gets confusing.

I equate "rightism" with freedom, and leftism with lack of freedom. So I would contend that fascism is a form of leftism.

	03-05-2005 22:40									#201
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Ned, congrats. You know you've won an arguement with the left when they start attacking you personally.

Lancer, well its all in fun. I enjoy the compliments.

	03-05-2005 22:42									#202
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"Lancer, well its all in fun. I enjoy the compliments."

	03-05-2005 22:44									#203
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Ned, congrats. You know you've won an arguement with the left when they start attacking you personally.

Uhuh... Comparing people like me with Stalin isn't personal?

	03-05-2005 22:49									#204
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quote: Originally posted by Ned But even if Hu is a fascist, is he on the right or the left? This gets confusing.

Fascism is the far right, so if Hu were a fascist, he'd be on the far right.

	03-05-2005 22:51									#205
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"Uhuh... Comparing people like me with Stalin isn't personal?"

Do you have a mustache?

	03-05-2005 22:54									#206
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Stop sitting on the fence and take sides, you liberal weenie!

I try to be aware of my biases, and try to take the side of objectivity when it comes to history.

	03-05-2005 22:56									#207
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Ned, congrats. You know you've won an arguement with the left when they start attacking you personally.

you're retarded



How's that for a personal attack from a liberal?

	03-05-2005 22:58									#208
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8.6

	03-05-2005 22:59									#209
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer "Uhuh... Comparing people like me with Stalin isn't personal?" Do you have a mustache?

Nope. Shaved it of when the Wall fell. I'm kinda igcognito nowadays

	03-05-2005 22:59									#210
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aaaawwww . . . . .



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