05-05-2005 18:34									#91
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion Do you have them in Germany for Turks?

No, but for the Danish minority in the northern Germany. And I think for the Sorbic (sp?) people in he south east (near Poland).

I think for those minorities which lived in those areas for centuries it is a good solution.

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	05-05-2005 18:51									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Saras I have him on ignore

Did he offend oyu so much?

	05-05-2005 19:05									#95
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Not really. I got tired. LaRusso (iirc that's the name) is on ignore for offending.

	05-05-2005 19:12									#96
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Is LaRusso here? I haven't heard of him for years.

	05-05-2005 19:16									#97
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG turks didnt exist at the time

Yes they did, just not in Anatolia.

	05-05-2005 19:17									#98
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No they didn't che.

	05-05-2005 19:44									#99
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Did the Russians ever apologize for the mass rape, slaughter and pillaging of German civilians? We know what happend in Prussia. I was watching a special last night about Berlin. The Russians raped 130,000 German woman, killing at least 10,000 of them.

This is almost as bad as the Rape of Nanking.

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 No they didn't che.

Yes they did. You just had different names for them. Ever hear of the Hsing-Nu or the Scythians or the Khazars?

	05-05-2005 19:52									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Ned The Russians raped 130,000 German woman, killing at least 10,000 of them.

After what the Nazis did to the USSR, can you blame them?

	05-05-2005 19:55									#102
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Yes. It doesn't change one iota about Nazi's crimes if I say that those things were wrong.

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On the scale of crimes committed in WWII, the rape of Prussia doesn't even merit much attention. Frankly, you're damned lucky there's still a Germany at all.

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quote: Originally posted by Saras ludzu, petrazickis will explain it all.

Paldies, but I moved to Canada at eleven and haven't been back since. I can't be expected to keep up with current affairs. And I am half-Russian.

Solver, get your Latviešu ass here!

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara On the scale of crimes committed in WWII, the rape of Prussia doesn't even merit much attention. Frankly, you're damned lucky there's still a Germany at all.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

	05-05-2005 20:01									#106
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Yes they did. You just had different names for them. Ever hear of the Hsing-Nu or the Scythians or the Khazars?

	05-05-2005 20:03									#107
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Your anti-Turkism has mislead you once again, hairy man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

quote: The Khazars were a semi-nomadic Turkic people from Central Asia, many of whom converted to Judaism. The name 'Khazar' seems to be tied to a Turkic verb meaning "wandering".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks

quote: Previous use of similar terms, like those in a tablet from 2000 BCE found in the ancient city of Mari situated at Tell Hariri in Syria (which mentions that a people named "Turukku" are coming to the lands of Tiguranim and Hirbazanim), the Chinese in 1328 BCE (referring to a neighbouring people as "Tu-Kiu"), or that in the Zend-Avesta one of the grandsons of Noah is named "Turk", are of unknown significance, although some feel strongly that this is early evidence of the historical continuency of the term and the people as an ethnic (and possibly linguistic) unit.

http://www.allempires.com/empires/xiongnu/xiongnu1.htm

quote: The Xiong Nu (possibly meaning “Subjects of Peoples”), also known as the Asiatic Huns, were one of the earliest known nomadic peoples that lived in Central Asia. They’re thought to have descended from the Xien Yun, a Proto-Turkic people. However, the Xiong Nu were not a pure ethnic group, and they included various Turkic, Tungusic and Indo-European peoples.

And a search for Scythian and Turk on google will show the great similarities between the two languages (as well as the language of the Huns).
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...urk&btnG=Search

The fact is, the nomadic peoples of the steppes were pretty much all related and had a common ancestry.

	05-05-2005 20:04									#108
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whatever comrade

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara On the scale of crimes committed in WWII, the rape of Prussia doesn't even merit much attention. Frankly, you're damned lucky there's still a Germany at all.

For the individuals that where targets of such "treatment" this doesn't matter at all. I don't see why I should excuse rape just because those who did it belonged to a nation that suffered under the nazis. Everyone with a little sense of history knows what they have done. Still I don't understand how this makes mass-rape any better.

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Che, we've all heard of Stalingrad. What we have not heard about Stalingrad is a mass rape of its women. I actually have never heard of such a thing occurring anywhere on the Eastern front even though I have heard that the occuppation was brutal.

Still, I for one condemn the allied bombing of German and Japanese civilians even thought their leaders were barbaric. What we did was wrong and we should apologize. But I take it that victors never apologize. I take it that, then, that Russia will never apologize for what it did to German civilians, nor what it did to the thousands of Polish officers it captured in 1939.

	05-05-2005 20:12									#111
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Well, IMO demanding apologies over and over isn't the main thing. Germany does better if it doesn't go this way, because in the end, yes, if Germans hadn't started it, they wouldn't have suffered in the end. But surely this doesn't change the fact that some things are just bad, regardless who did it. And they don't become great things just because they were done by people who fought against nazis.

	05-05-2005 20:15									#112
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BeBro, it may not be appropriate for a German to demand an apology. But I am an American and I am sickened by what the Russians did. I think all civilized people ought to demand that the Russians apologize, just like the Danish PM did in the case of the Balkans.

	05-05-2005 20:22									#113
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Hey Saras, I heard Latvia's projected GDP growth for this year is bigger than Lithuania's.

	05-05-2005 20:23									#114
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That's the cumulative amount of my drinks bills in www.pulkvedis.lv when I'm in Riga

	05-05-2005 20:27									#115
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If someone kills thirty million of your countrymen, there's gonna be some payback. I'm not saying it was right, but it was completely understandable and I'm willing to look the other way. If that was the worst attrocity Germany suffered, you came off damned lightly. There were plans to turn Germany into a wilderness.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara If someone kills thirty million of your countrymen, there's gonna be some payback. I'm not saying it was right, but it was completely understandable and I'm willing to look the other way. If that was the worst attrocity Germany suffered, you came off damned lightly. There were plans to turn Germany into a wilderness.

Plans by whom?

	05-05-2005 20:30									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Plans by whom?

The Allies, by which I don't mean they planned on exterminating the Germans, but on kicking them out of Germany.

There were also plans to completely deindustrialize Germany. Ultimately, Cold War politics intruded and both sides decided to rebuild Germany.

	05-05-2005 20:32									#118
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I was thinking you were talking about a fate similar to the fate of Carthage.

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BTW, where did you get the number 30 million. The USSR only claimed 20 million?

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara There were also plans to completely deindustrialize Germany.

Morgenthau Plan?