06-05-2005 02:56									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Krill Whig = Liberals Tories= Conservatives

Yes. Labour only came into being in the 20th century.
The whig to liberal and tory to conservative stuff happened in the 1800s

	06-05-2005 03:00									#92
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Looking again at the Sunderland South seat, more about half of Labour's losses are to the Liberal democrats.

This is a safe Labour seat so it's possible that in more marginal constituencies, labour voters will not have defected to the lib dems and instead stuck with labour to keep the tories out. Maybe the swing in the marginals will be smaller than here.

	06-05-2005 03:00									#93
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So, who do you guys support? I'd vote Labour, supporting Blair...but most Americans just love the guy.

	06-05-2005 03:02									#94
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I voted Labour. Unfortunately I live in - literally - the safest Conservative seat in the country and so mine was probably the most pointless vote in the country

	06-05-2005 03:04									#95
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My heart goes out to you Zulu, particularly as a republican in Oregon. My vote is always wasted.

	06-05-2005 03:06									#96
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One thing that I've been wondering:

The Conservatives seem to be screwed by FPTP (and the LibDems even more so). Kinda ironic given that they'd been opposing PR. Did FPTP favor the Conservatives in the recent past?

	06-05-2005 03:09									#97
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FPTP favours whoever wins in EVERY election. That's the nature of the system.

	06-05-2005 03:10									#98
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In the same way that a president with a small to medium (though not tiny) lead in the popular vote can get a landslide in electoral college votes

	06-05-2005 03:11									#99
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Not necessarily. It favors the parties that are the least diffuse geographically.

	06-05-2005 03:13									#100
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FPTP is the stupidest and most outdated voting system. It simply is not able to cope with the pluralism of today's electorate.

	06-05-2005 03:25									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Not necessarily. It favors the parties that are the least diffuse geographically.

Well yes. I meant for the larger parties.

quote: FPTP is the stupidest and most outdated voting system. It simply is not able to cope with the pluralism of today's electorate.

I agree completely

	06-05-2005 03:26									#102
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And another one bites the dust...2-nil to Labour...

	06-05-2005 03:32									#103
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3-nil...

	06-05-2005 03:38									#104
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A third win for Labour. These are atypical seats but the trend seems to be Labour losing votes to the liberal democrats rather than the lib dems.

We'll have to wait until we start to see the Labour-Conservative marginals until we know whats really happening

	06-05-2005 03:40									#105
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Jesus... I had hoped the Tories had got rid of people like Boris Johnson. ****.. he even has comical Tory hair.

What a buffoon...

	06-05-2005 03:42									#106
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Did anyone see Blair on Question Time the other day? That was hilarious.

	06-05-2005 03:42									#107
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He provides comedy for the rest of the country though He also demonstrates why I would never vote Tory...

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To think that some tories thought he was leader material. Thank god the tories are still that messed up

	06-05-2005 03:48									#109
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Johnson is the sort of guy you can imagine engaging in public school perversions.

	06-05-2005 03:51									#110
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The Labour candidate is worried that he's going to lose his deposit in David Davis's (Tory Shadow Home Secretary and possible leadership candidate) seat.

This could suggest that Lib and Lab supporters are combining to unseat him

	06-05-2005 03:58									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Jesus... I had hoped the Tories had got rid of people like Boris Johnson. ****.. he even has comical Tory hair. What a buffoon...

Don't underestimate his Borisness. I can't stand the tories, but he's a very intelligent man. Very interesting man to talk to, and has a lot more sense than the comedy would let on.

	06-05-2005 04:03									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Zulu Elephant The Labour candidate is worried that he's going to lose his deposit in David Davis's (Tory Shadow Home Secretary and possible leadership candidate) seat. This could suggest that Lib and Lab supporters are combining to unseat him

Ah, that is the seat where I used to work (when I did my PhD)...I'd like to see David Davis lose that one

	06-05-2005 04:04									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue Don't underestimate his Borisness. I can't stand the tories, but he's a very intelligent man. Very interesting man to talk to, and has a lot more sense than the comedy would let on.

People like him but they wouldn't vote for him - same as Kinnock in '92

	06-05-2005 04:10									#114
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Apparently it's not going well for Kilroy

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What an absolute tool!

	06-05-2005 04:19									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Zulu Elephant People like him but they wouldn't vote for him - same as Kinnock in '92

Possibly. I'd vote for him though. I hate the tories strongly, but I'd vote for Boris.

	06-05-2005 04:24									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue Possibly. I'd vote for him though. I hate the tories strongly, but I'd vote for Boris.

You're not serious

	06-05-2005 04:28									#117
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On what grounds?

He has a brain but so do a lot of people. Aside from the economics stuff (which is hardly the main issue at this election for the majority of people) I'm pretty certain he is a stereotypical Tory.

He's just a 'celebrity' candidate like the Arnie thing in America - my faith in the British population gets weaker every day.

	06-05-2005 04:37									#118
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It seems as though the Lib Dems are getting swings around 6% to their party, but these are all in safe Labour seats. Will have to see if this swing will carry over to the marginals, or if only in safe seats the Labours are casting protest votes for the Lib Dems.

	06-05-2005 04:38									#119
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This could be big news, in Putney the Tories retake the seat with a swing of 6%. If the Tories can get that swing in marginals nationwide, that could mean a hung parliament.

	06-05-2005 04:39									#120
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Best thing that could happen to parliament really...