24-05-2005 01:41									#301
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio Those first four units sure looks interesting

Well, early human tribes had difficult times defending against "barbarians" of this kind.

	24-05-2005 02:18									#302
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quote: Originally posted by GAZ082 Yes, interpreted bytecode!

Is there another kind?

	24-05-2005 02:27									#303
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Well, frankly, I'm still waiting to see how Civ IV deals with the major changes in government, armies and economy in the modern age.

Frankly, I think many games fall on this, and I think it is still not completed in Civ IV and that is the reason we don't see screenshots with tanks, airplanes, railroads and so on.


We have no idea about any unit or technology beyond the first millenia.

	24-05-2005 03:54									#304
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Any idea how that will work?

This is pure speculation, but I think I have an idea.

We know that some units will have bonuses against other unit types. Spearman have bonuses against cavalry, dragoons have bonuses against artillery, and some unit has bonuses against "gunpowder units".

This means that the game has many different unit-categories. There could be a "pre-gunpowder" cateogory, to which the tank would be wholly immune.

	24-05-2005 05:03									#305
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor This is pure speculation, but I think I have an idea. We know that some units will have bonuses against other unit types. Spearman have bonuses against cavalry, dragoons have bonuses against artillery, and some unit has bonuses against "gunpowder units". This means that the game has many different unit-categories. There could be a "pre-gunpowder" cateogory, to which the tank would be wholly immune.

That seems reasonable

	24-05-2005 14:52									#306
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov We have no idea about any unit or technology beyond the first millenia.

There's still 5 months worth of releasing later age screenshots.

Firaxis needs to hold something in the pocket to keep our interest piqued.

	24-05-2005 19:32									#307
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Indeed, there's still much time to spend, lots of screenies to analyze and lots of previews to read to much into.

	24-05-2005 19:49									#308
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Aye, there is binary code which is the language of the microprocessor and does not need an interpreter. Is the most common way of releasing programs. The famous .exe in windows. In DOS was also used .com, dont know the difference though.

	24-05-2005 22:24									#309
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@GAZ: I was being sarcastic. AIUI, .exe's are not referred to as "bytecode"...

	24-05-2005 22:28									#310
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Alright, this is waaaaay off-topic. Get back to Civ4 .

	24-05-2005 23:34									#311
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Right. We know the number of units ingame I suppose from that unit screenshot, and we know already a number of units from the early ages and can make educated guesses from the unit civipedia screenshot for later ages.

How about creating a list somewhere from with all this, and fill it up with likely units from modern times to figger out what spots are still available for unique units or such?

	25-05-2005 00:59									#312
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* vovan is waiting for Locutus to come in and ask to give him yet another day to finish it.

Just kiddin', good work, Locutus is doing. And he probably got the unit thing down.

	25-05-2005 01:20									#313
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quote: Originally posted by vovan * vovan is waiting for Locutus to come in and ask to give him yet another day to finish it.

I'm actually done for the most part. Need do some minor rewriting and reordering on the modding and development sections, but that's probably only about an hour's worth of work.

The only real task that remains is to take all my research and put into HTML tables a new 'Civilopedia' section which will contain lists of all known units, buildings, etc.

I have about 30ish terrain types and tile imps, all 31 resources (although for 3 I don't know what they're supposed to be), 35ish units, 60ish buildings/wonders, all 41 promotions (but that's basically nothing that you aren't already keeping track off -- in fact it's probably less as I only keep track of facts, not speculation) and a lot of techs. Compiling the tables with screenshots and everything will probably take indeed about one more day

But I'll probably post the non-Civilopedia part later tonight...

	25-05-2005 02:09									#314
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quote: Originally posted by vovan * vovan is waiting for Locutus to come in and ask to give him yet another day to finish it. Just kiddin', good work, Locutus is doing. And he probably got the unit thing down.

* alva thinks Locutus is solliciting for a new title.

	25-05-2005 02:53									#315
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* Theseus thinks: "cIVbrarian?"

Last edited by Theseus on 25-05-2005 at 04:23

	25-05-2005 03:51									#316
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What's with the bear, lion, wolf, etc. icons I saw on that unit civilopedia screenshot?

	25-05-2005 03:51									#317
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Early barbarians.

	25-05-2005 04:24									#318
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I don;t get how multiple units will be represented on a given tile... is there a screenshot of that somewhere?

	25-05-2005 04:30									#319
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus I don;t get how multiple units will be represented on a given tile... is there a screenshot of that somewhere?

I would imagine the same way as before - with only the one "top" unit representing the whole stack. Although seeing a mob created by 20 units might be quite a sight.

Which makes me wonder if there even will be stacks of 20 units around... One of the interviews, IIRC, said something like this on promotions: moving hundreds of identical units around the map is not fun, moving one hundred unique units is fun. So that seems to hint your armies will be far smaller than before, due to the use of promotions to make the units stronger and diversify the army.

	25-05-2005 04:33									#320
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* alva scraps Theuseus from the suspected Beta-list.

You didn't see the videos T-man?
4 HP = 4 units (on the same tile)
3 HP = 3 units
1HP = 1 unit

	25-05-2005 04:38									#321
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quote: Originally posted by alva You didn't see the videos T-man? 4 HP = 4 units (on the same tile) 3 HP = 3 units 1HP = 1 unit

Err, it's not really 4 units for 4 HP -- it's four guys representing the same unit. I believe he was asking like suppose you have a swordsman and an archer on the same tile, what'd you see then?

	25-05-2005 04:38									#322
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He could be faking

	25-05-2005 15:28									#323
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GamesFirst! article mentioned something I saw for the first time

"he said that you must plant different types of crops in order for your society to flourish. If you keep planting the same thing in the ground, your people will get sick and work slower"

http://gamesfirst.com/v4/index.php?m=l&i=593

was this mentioned earlier at any point?

	25-05-2005 17:11									#324
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quote: Originally posted by LaRusso GamesFirst! article mentioned something I saw for the first time "he said that you must plant different types of crops in order for your society to flourish. If you keep planting the same thing in the ground, your people will get sick and work slower" http://gamesfirst.com/v4/index.php?m=l&i=593 was this mentioned earlier at any point?

Yeah, it was sort of in the video interview... Soren said that it would be beneficial to trade foodstuffs between cities/civs, like corn for wheat.

Still don't get multiple units, alva be damned.

	25-05-2005 18:32									#325
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quote: Originally posted by vovan Which makes me wonder if there even will be stacks of 20 units around... One of the interviews, IIRC, said something like this on promotions: moving hundreds of identical units around the map is not fun, moving one hundred unique units is fun. So that seems to hint your armies will be far smaller than before, due to the use of promotions to make the units stronger and diversify the army.

Face it, moving massive amounts of units, be they the same type, or unique, is not fun. It would be fine if the tools are there to allow the player to efficiently move them with minimum mouse clicking (i.e. locking group commands, a grouping command that is not merely tied into unit type and the ability to maintain that locked grouping from turn to turn)

If there are less total number of units in the game, this would greatly help make single-unit vs single-unit combat tolerable. My assumption is that unit costs and upkeep may be made higher to keep those numbers down.

However, having more total number of units in the game does help the AI be more competitive

	25-05-2005 21:16									#326
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quote: Originally posted by vovan Err, it's not really 4 units for 4 HP -- it's four guys representing the same unit. * snip *

That's what I meant, shouldn't have used the word unit though, that did make it somewhat confusing.

	26-05-2005 05:27									#327
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Hey, CIV made [i]Time[/ i] magazine this week, p. 82 "Hot new games"

"Religion has a starring role in Sid Meier's latest (for PC), in which you try to convert your neighbors-or rip them to pieces in bloody, crusading wars."



pub

	26-05-2005 06:43									#328
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Much like my new sig from CivAnon, or for that matter the PTWDG2:

Cake... or Death.

[Edit: For non-Eddie Izzard fans (otherwisde known as heathen philistine scum), the cake or death bit is actually all about religion.]

[Edit2: Where's Arrian when I need him? ]

	26-05-2005 14:26									#329
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Hasn't been around since februari.

	26-05-2005 15:20									#330
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Ah, so we can conclude that Arrian is one of the 60