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Who CARES what the OFFICIAL title was (ie, it's not relevant at all)? Was it or was it not added to the opening crawl well before the late 90s? Introduced far before the time period you are stating it was introduced.


Imran, the OFFICIAL title is so relevant that Lucas had to revise the original copyrights!

****, now, in order to have any hope of proving his point, we have a damn lawyer arguing that legal documentation is irrelevant.

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I am glad to announce that the last two pages are a spoiler free zone.

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****, now, in order to have any hope of proving his point, we have a damn lawyer arguing that legal documentation is irrelevant.








It's part of Apolyton isn't it -- the unexpected is the norm.

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we're also arguing about who is really arguing


I noticed that.

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And what confusion are you alluding to? Who the hell would get confused by it?


Oh, I dunno, someone saying wasn't it cool in Star Wars when Yoda... and someone else saying, fool, that was in Empire, not Star Wars! And then having to say you meant the series, not the first film!

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I challenge you to go to the man on the street and ask them what they think of the movie "A New Hope."


As the man on the street what they think of Episode IV of Star Wars. They'll know what you are talking about.

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In order for it to be a concealed spoiler, the info has to be a SURPRISE.

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Niters... it's 2:20 and work tomorrow.

It's been fun.

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Imran, the OFFICIAL title is so relevant that Lucas had to revise the original copyrights!

****, now, in order to have any hope of proving his point, we have a damn lawyer arguing that legal documentation is irrelevant.


He revised the copyright names? Big ****ing deal! How does that magically mean that people start calling the movies Episode X. Once again, I ask did Lucas have a brain wave, magically changing what people called the movies?

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Niters... it's 2:20 and work tomorrow.

It's been fun.



It's only 1:20 AM here -- do you want to wave magic wands and switch time zones so you can have more fun with Imran?

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And what confusion are you alluding to? Who the hell would get confused by it?


Oh, I dunno, someone saying wasn't it cool in Star Wars when Yoda... and someone else saying, fool, that was in Empire, not Star Wars! And then having to say you meant the series, not the first film!


Oh come on. If one starts saying "Yoda," it's pretty much a given you're talking any movie but ANH. Only a lawyer with his head up his ass would be so pedantic.

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As the man on the street what they think of Episode IV of Star Wars. They'll know what you are talking about.


Suuuuuuuure they would. That you think the every day person is so enshrined in the geekisphere to know this is beyond laughable.

Most people don't have a clue as to the episode numbers, they know them by the theatrical release names. And that would be "Star Wars" for the first film. I own a VHS from the mid-80s of Star Wars, and it doesn't say on the cover either "episode 4" or "A New Hope." All it says is "Star Wars."

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If one starts saying "Yoda," it's pretty much a given you're talking any movie but ANH.


Its an example... heard of those before? Try another, what about the Battle of Hoth?

If you say Star Wars to most people, they'll think of the entire series, not just one movie.

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Suuuuuuuure they would. That you think the every day person is so enshrined in the geekisphere to know this is beyond laughable.




To claim that people don't know what you are talking about when you say Episode IV of Star Wars shows extreme ignorance. Most people know the prequals by Episode number. Episode 1 and Episode 2 is how they are mostly referred to.

Most people know this Boris. People who had no idea what Episode 4 of Star Wars was, I'd be concerned that they had been living in a cave since the 70s.

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Imran is attempting to PWN using a rolling-eyes smilie.





I don't think it will work this time.

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He had to officially change the names so he could legally refer to the first film as "Episode 4: A New Hope" in, you know, legal documents. Like merchandising agreements, profit-sharing documents, and a whole host of other issues.

He insisted that any future mention of SW by his company and those who wanted to deal with them go by their new name. He also has the power to grant access to more... compliant... newspeople, one of the conditions was, I'm sure, to get the new nomenclature right. That's how he got the "message" out - through good old fashion arm-twisting leading to "proper" (in his eyes) media exposure.

Surely you're not so niave as to think good ol' boy Lucas is beyond such a thing?

I mean, ****, you were what, 17 when the first movie was re-released? You're part of the "lost generation", the group that grew up between trilogies - of course you don't remember what the films were called, legally and otherwise, when they were released.

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I would like to go to bed, but this is actually amusing to watch a drawn-out argument over something so trivial.

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I would like to go to bed, but this is actually amusing to watch a drawn-out argument over something so trivial.


Yeah, I'm curious to see how long this can go on despite the fact that a vicious pwning has already been meted out...

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Its an example... heard of those before? Try another, what about the Battle of Hoth?


And who wouldn't know one is talking about ESB when you say that? Duh...

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To claim that people don't know what you are talking about when you say Episode IV of Star Wars shows extreme ignorance. Most people know the prequals by Episode number. Episode 1 and Episode 2 is how they are mostly referred to.

Most people know this Boris. People who had no idea what Episode 4 of Star Wars was, I'd be concerned that they had been living in a cave since the 70s.


I can only say you're utterly making this up. Nobody except complete geeks would refer to the movies by their number. The overwhelming majority refer to them by their theatrical release names. I grew up with everyone knowing damn well the difference between "Star Wars," "Empire," and "Jedi."

In fact, I bet if you asked most people what they thought "Episode I" was of Star Wars, they'd say the 1977 film.

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And just of the first movie.

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I would like to go to bed, but this is actually amusing to watch a drawn-out argument over something so trivial.


Yeah, I'm curious to see how long this can go on despite the fact that a vicious pwning has already been meted out...


Compliments of the US Copyright office!

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Now we have to bring in visual evidence for this petty argument.








poor Imran . . . . . .

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So even in the 1990s special edition release, it was just labelled "Star Wars." Neither "Episode 4" nor "A New Hope" appears on the box.

OH NOES! THE PEOPLE MUST HAVE BEEN SO CONFUSED!!!!

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I think you're a little deluded as to who pwned who in this case...

Anyway, here's the revised correctness scale:

Imran >> Boris >>>>>>> John T > Jaguar and Oerdin

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Two people have brought evidence into this argument.

Others have brought only memories, which one of those people, given his legal training, should know is as unreliable as a mother****.

And the rest are enjoying this train-wreck of a thread.

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He had to officially change the names so he could legally refer to the first film as "Episode 4: A New Hope" in, you know, legal documents. Like merchandising agreements, profit-sharing documents, and a whole host of other issues.

He insisted that any future mention of SW by his company and those who wanted to deal with them go by their new name. He also has the power to grant access to more... compliant... newspeople, one of the conditions was, I'm sure, to get the new nomenclature right. That's how he got the "message" out - through good old fashion arm-twisting leading to "proper" (in his eyes) media exposure.


And... this magically changed what people called the movies because? What, you really think everyone is that much of sheep and was beguiled by a few toys and newspaper articles? Are you serious?

One of reasons to change it was that people were already referring to it as Episode 4, if not "A New Hope". Like I said, quite confusing to refer to the entire series as Star Wars and reserve that name for one movie as well. It needs something else to set it apart.

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Two people have brought evidence into this argument.


And your own words... which you haven't denied.

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So even in the 1990s special edition release, it was just labelled "Star Wars." Neither "Episode 4" nor "A New Hope" appears on the box.


So what you are saying is that John was totally incorrect that Lucas twisted the arms of everyone and anyone to call it "Episode 4 - A New Hope"?

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Star Wars is the movie released in 1977.

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