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I have unleashed a beast ... Good to hear it's at least moderately realistic.


The developers have gotten a lot better since the original SimCity, since they seem to have actually started visiting the city - more than half of SimCity 4's buildings are copies or adaptations of buildings in and around San Francisco.

SimCity 2000 was programmed in Orinda, a suburban town located in over the hill from Berkeley. This game modelled suburban sprawl quite well, with land value determined purely by trees, water, crime, etc, and not at all by the downtown effect. The tutorial showed how to build an industrial park, shopping center, and tract housing Silicon Valley style.

SimCity 3000 was programmed in Walnut Creek, and while it got the downtown effect, it still ignored a lot of transportation issues, such as allowing the clustering of all the schools and hospitals in one spot.

SimCity 4 was programmed in Redwood City, which is on the Peninsula south of San Francisco. It's still suburban, and the programmers probably take parking for granted, which is why it's not modelled in the game.

Sometime aroudn the release of 2000, Maxis also released A-Train, the Japanese equivalent of SimCity. That game is very much about transit oriented development and mixed zoning, and reflects the Japanese ideas of the city much in the way that SimCity reflects the NorCal idea.

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A few more things - Politics and Economics
The default tax rate (9%) is incredibly high. Then again it does include utilities and healthcare. Deep down SimCity is very much Socialist, yet you can't build public housing.
In many ways SimCity lumps in many regional and national issues into the muncipal level. It'd be nice to see this kind of coordination in the real world.

Often cities have a single large employer, this is especially true for manufacturing and military towns. The effects of plant and base closings is not modelled.

There are no elections, though the parts of the world doing the most city building now don't have them either. Even in democratic countries, consecutive terms or even dynasties (Chicago) are not uncommon.

IRare is the city founded in complete wilderness in 1900 (start date of original game), much less 2000.

and now something completely different
Nuclear power plants do not explode.

The Nuclear Free Zone oridnance does exist in many Bay Area cities, however. I'm still trying to um, get, one of those nifty signs.

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City Evaluations of Realism in the SimCity 4 game model

Fray Bentos
I wouldn't call this good city planning but I've seen lots of cities like this in suburban America - a downtown along a main corridor, lots of houses, and in this case, literally islands of shopping centers and industrial parks accessible only by car. A real waste of waterfront if you ask me.


Well if residential demand changes then ill be more than happy to rezone my industry, but when you have so much waterfront, the industry has to go somewhere.

Personally i dont like the blockiness of my city, maybe i can change that eventually. I also dont like the $$$ residential right next to offices on the original land mass, high wealth or not they shouldnt be together.

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Nov 2001
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The reason I only had 3 empties is probably because of the (some might call them extreme) measures I took to try and preserve demand...

1) Bank of China Tower (landmark, massive commercial demand boost)
2) Small International Airport (wedged in on the eastern edge of my city)
3) Convention Center (right beside Area 5.1, coincidence? You decide...)
4) Stock Market (already present from 2030)
5) Tax cut to 6% for CO$$, 5.5% for CO$$$ (strange thing, news ticker commended on low taxes attracting office jobs... demand is still almost at the bottom of the scale for both CO$$ and CO$$$)
6) Expanded subway system

Also, oddly enough, without any input on my part, I had a boom of high-wealth high-density residential, including some really big high-rises.

I have 2 options as far as the railway goes, try and run a line across Y City, the tracks would have to run right under my recycling centers and next to the solar plants, or leave it as it stands.

There are subway and bus stations nearby.

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Fray Bentos '40

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6,972
35,270
10,686

A massive boost in commercial demand, especially offices, dictated most of the development the last 5 years in Fray Bentos. The existing commercial area was revitalised, surrounded by high office buildings and plazas, the Stock Market is the center of commercial activity.

A new residential area was also layed, including a primary school and high school, together with brand new football field and basketball/netball court. A few more months and theyll all be developed into small luxury apartments.

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Meh, feel free to skip my save if i'm late...this heat makes it impossible to play for any decent amount of time, all i'd do is just fast-forward another 5 years before my pc overheats again.


If someone else wants to do that, and maybe also complete neighbour connections they're welcome to do it.

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Have you tried taking the sides off your PC?

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Should I just play up to 2040 and import all the 2040 saves; or import all the individual every 5 years saves; or import the 2035 saves, play up to 2035, and then play up to 2040 and post that?

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Id import all the 2035 saves then play to 2040, then import all the 2040 saves.

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Only the best pilots can land in Epwood


Those takeoffs and landings would require one very well timed barrel row.

Last edited by :) Smiley on 25-06-2005 at 10:45

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Have you tried taking the sides off your PC?

Yeah, i did that yesterday, but haven't tried playing yet because it was warmer than of the earlier days.
Seems to be a lot cooler now though, i'll try and play today.

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I can play normally.
Expect my save late tonight, or tomorrow, i don't have time to finish it now :/

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Invest in liquid nitrogen cooling. Or, is there a way to underclock your processor?

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Put an icepack on your motherboard.

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2040 save is up

http://www.angelfire.com/ar3/mrmitc...temp/index.html

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the Dead Sea;

If you swim here, you will die.

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Notice all the changes

1) Landfill nearly completely gotten rid of (now it is filling back up again in its tiny four tiles. Will have to find cash to build new incinerator)
2) Development of high rises along Cliffside Avenue and in New El Dorado
3) See the big brown high rise? I historicallized it. I think by now it would be replaced but no it will be there forever.
4) Some of the unessential industrial around the Base was cleared out and moved down to around the Dead Sea. The process will be complete by 2045 or as funds are available.
5) The low-rise commercial and high tech mixed development along those parallel roads in about the center of this shot
6) Finally, multiple unit buildings are being developed in the new addition. I've had to triple the capacity of that school in the last turn.

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We tried to see if eventually we could get the militaryindustrial complex moved somewhere out of the way like Fairfield or the Islands; we no longer need the revenue (although it is appreciated as it replaces a huge portion of money that would be taxes) and it is an eyesore on the city, taking up valuable land.

But they persuaded the city council to keep the base, at least for now.

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Just use Smileys map he already posted. I don't think anything changed.

I don't think the western cities will be keen on paying for $1000s of rails etc; El Dorado plans to put in some bus stops next turn.

Maybe in the future we'll build a subway system. It's just so crazy that it just might work.

But if it doesn't it's like 10 years of revenue down the hole so we'll wait until we need it really badly.

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Massive growth in both the Residential and Commercial Sectors.



Residential: 231,349
Com. Jobs: 126,046
Ind. Jobs: 13,761

http://home.comcast.net/~epwood1/City_-_Epwood-40.zip

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I don't think the western cities will be keen on paying for $1000s of rails etc; El Dorado plans to put in some bus stops next turn.



The People of Epwood would never support an above ground railroad.

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I just wanted to let people know I've been enjoying following this.

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Ignoring the advice of economists, city planners decided to full exploit the commercial boom. As a result the number of commercial jobs available nearly doubled to 107k.

Bubble Junction '40

R: 62120
C: 107771
I: 2617

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City upto '40 waiting for:

Trinity Islands - General Ludd
Y City - Atragon

Fairfield - Vovan (update expected?)
Bloutberg - Jonny (gone till Monday, no update expected)

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Trinity Islands: http://s95005245.onlinehome.us/City...y%20Islands.sc4

Sorry, I forgot to take a screenshot or do any write-up. (I nearly forgot to post it, despite playing it)

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2/3rds ought to be enough, especially since Atragon seems to have been busy frequently in the last week. I'm going to run the 2045 turn now.

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Abort Retry Fail
East Central 2045


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Earlier plans for agricultural development were scrubbed when it was discovered that new farmers were not interested in setting up shop in the metropolis.

Existing farms were also failing due to heavy traffic and other urban issues.

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The new development focus was instead turned towards high technology. Built with real bricks and mortar instead of mere dot-coms, East Central's tech industry has doubled in size. Many of the new plants are built on former downtown farmland.

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As residents have gotten wealthy, old tenement blocks have been pulled down and replaced with bright shiny buildings. Transportation infrastructure has also been upgraded, wth more subway lines and a rail bridge across the Gulch.

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