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Modo44
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in western Poland
Jul 2004
time: 06:35
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Originally posted by Krill
Modo, if we use the C3C editor as an example, just use the links from another leader for the animations, and the animation for another unit for the UU. The stats are right there infromt of you to make up, but the only remaining problem is the pedia icons.
Of course, while C4 s going to be different from C3, the idea of copying from another civ for the animations should always hold possible... |
Yeah, except the feeling is not the same anymore. The only time I played Poland (or against Poland) was after Polish fans made the UU and the leader animations. In my opinion, a civ is not complete without these "details".
But, like I said, I understand that making graphics costs money. I will rather have "only" 18 civs with a good game balance instead of 50 civs with a crappy game.
By the way, if one seriously wanted to drop one civ, it would be the Americans. Being 200 years old, they are not even an infant compared to all other choices. You could make them show up because of huge uprisings, but to allowing them to start in 4000 BC is a joke...
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Modo44
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in western Poland
Jul 2004
time: 06:35
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Originally posted by Adagio
Whenever I hear people saying they don't want the Americans in the game because they're so young a nation I wonder why they're not complaining about other nations like Germany who didn't become a nation before late 1800 (until then they were just smaller "nations" who didn't feel united at all) which makes them actually even younger than the Americans |
Except there were people already the Romans called Germans. Can you say the same about Americans? Somehow, I doubt it.
The point is, people living in and around the territory called Germany now were there for centuries. Even if not always united under one leader, they did use a similar language, had a similar culture, and often joined to pursue common goals. Now, how long have Americans lived in America, before it even became America? This time, you count in years (starting with colonization), not in centuries. That is "a bit" of a difference...
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Originally posted by Adagio
I'd say the nations picked to be in Civ games should be based on their impact on the world, and there's probably no other nation that has a greater impact on the world today than USA. |
I would say historical civs are what civ is really about, as nobody even heard about the Americans until 200, let alone 6000, years ago. But who cares, I am not an American, right?
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Originally posted by Alexander01
I don't mean to sound boorish or ignorant, but Mali is what?
A FIFTH WORLD COUNTRY? |
Well, I'm no history buff, and I didn't know much about Mali either, but here's a post from civfanatics:
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The Mali Empire were a powerful empire of Sahelian Africa (between the Sahara and the rainforest), in the valley of the Niger river, in present day Mali and Niger primarily. At the height of the empire, their territory ranged from the Atlantic coast near present-day Dakar all the way to well into present-day Niger. This, incidentally, meant that they were, at that time, second only to the Mongols in terms of size of their empire.
Though the leading elite of Mali were mostly muslims, they did not impose their religion ; african paganism was perfectly allowed under the Mali empire.
The Mali empire (and its successor state and predecessor states, the Songhai and Ghana empires) controled the Saharan trade route, which were (among other things) the primary source of slaves and gold of the european and arab worlds until the XV-XVIth centuries when European sailors began ranging further afield, enabling them to replace the Saharan trade with Atlantic trade. The riches of the kingdom were such that, when the Mali emperor went on his pilgrimage to Mecca, he gave away so much gold in Egypt and such that it took several years for the value of gold to recover from that sudden drop.
Timbuktu was in addition a major learning center of the Muslim world in the medieval era (ie, back when Muslim science/learning/etc was nowhere near backward)
Compare this to the Zulu claims to fame ("We beat the brits once in a rebellion we lost in the end anyway"), and you might see why mostly everyone who has actually researched african history in the least bit wanted the Zulu gone and Mali in.
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http://forums.civfanatics.com/showp...154&postcount=7
Granted, I don't know how much this guy knows about history, but sounds plausible.  
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24-05-2005 23:19
No vikings again 
It was my favourite civ in both Civ1 and Civ2. And then they came dragging with that idiotic "Scandinavians" shiit...
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