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In my opinion, Civ2 was the zenith of Civdom.


I'll drink to that!
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Indubitably!

3 Cheers for Civ2
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Civ2 was and is a great game, but time has done too much damage to it unfortunately.
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That's true enough. Poor, poor obsolete graphics. Albeit I think it was the most addictive game I ever played. Not like silly Civ3 that was like somebody's failed chemistry experiment!
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I wish there was a hybrid between Civ2 and Alpha Centauri. That would have rocked! Two best games ever.
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Well hopefully said hybrid will be Civ4...
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C3 was better than C2 :gasoline:
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Considering the amount of time between both games, to say
CIV3 was superior to CIV2 in various aspects is a bit moot.

But CIV2 still have far better support for mods and a far slicker control method...

So there.
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C3's editor was more powerful.

What do you mean, control method?
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1)
CIV3 lacked decent scenario tools.

2)
And CIV2 is better modded without the buggy editor you got with the game.

3)
'Control method' means what it sounds like.
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Civ3 had more options, but was much less user friendly.

Civ2 was very easy to mod, and excellent results were possible with a minimum of effort.

Civ3, well, let's just say some people who bought the game when it first came out are still working on their scenarios for it. As for myself, I decided it'd just be easier to wait for Civ4 -- because it'd be out before I finished if I had tried to start back then...
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Well, CIV is CIV is CIV, as they say.

It is all good.
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November is far too long to wait! Gosh!

Civ4!
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CIV3 lacked decent scenario tools.


C3 lacked events. In every other area of moddability it completely owned C2.

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And CIV2 is better modded without the buggy editor you got with the game.


You couldn't do that much more with Notepad than with the editor included in FW...

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'Control method' means what it sounds like.



It doesn't sound like anything to me...
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Civ3 had more options, but was much less user friendly.


You're kidding, right? The C3 editor is incredibly simple.
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I'm not saying it's complex, I'm saying it's not user friendly. It takes WAY too much time for one thing.

There's just too much red tape for it to be as effective as it could have been.
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You'll probably hate Civ4 then. You can do more but it won't be easier than Civ3.

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I'm not saying it's complex, I'm saying it's not user friendly. It takes WAY too much time for one thing.

There's just too much red tape for it to be as effective as it could have been.


I don't see how. I find it very easy and quick to use.
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Goodness, you folks just want to ride me into the ground!

Example: Say I want to change the leaderheads for a faction to those of a different faction. I can't choose from a menu. I have to look it up, then type it in myself. It's things like that that bother me.

Anyway, this thread is about civs. I didn't start it so I could argue about the editor.
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But you can't change the leaderheads in C2, IIRC - or if you can, you have to follow the same procedure.
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So anyway, here's my Civ theory.

Civ4:
Americans
Arabs
Aztecs
Babylonians
Chinese
Egyptians
English
French
Germans
Greeks
Indians
Japanese
Malinese
Mongols
Persians
Romans
Russians
Spanish

Expansion 1:
Assyrians
Carthaginians
Celts
Incans
Koreans
Mayans
Turks
Vikings

Expansion 2:
Byzantines
Dutch
Hebrews
Hittites
Portuguese
Polish
Sumerians
Zulus (heaven forbid) or a Native North American Civ.
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What about the Canadians?

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I think the Zulu and Iroquois will be in the first release, instead of the Arabs and Mongols.
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Oh, Mongolia is a civ we know is in. So maybe Spain gets edged out.
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Out of the old initial list (see the first page of this thread), I think the Incans are the most likely to be dropped.
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How about the 'americans' become a generic civ for the old natives in northern america? To represent the semi-nomadic tribes there? Blasphemy?

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No, just impossible. It's not going to happen.
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Out of all the civs, America is perhaps the only one that will ALWAYS be in when a new Civ game comes out. Ironic, don't you think?
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I also think it's untrue. Among those that will never be left out:

America
Greece
Rome
Egypt
Babylon
Persia
England
France
Germany
Russia
China
Japan
India
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So anyway, here's my Civ theory.


I think your list is about right except that I think the Zulus are in and Spain is out. ??

Maybe the "just the facts m'am" thread has definite information?
 
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