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Muad'Dib
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Of The Known Universe
Jan 1970
time: 05:24
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1) Undoubtedly Yes
2) Yep, and... what does that have to do with this discussion? |
Wrong, we're an interventionist nation, otherwise that s**t hole you call a country would be part of the good 'ole US of A. Which wouldn't be such a bad thing. Mexico's greatest export is its people. What a shame. Almost 200 years of independence, and nothing to show for it except adverse poverty.
Then enlighten everyone on the subject, since you jumped on the bandwagon of the crappy things the US has done.
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Geez, then WHY THE F*UCK are you raising such a pseudo-patriotic nonsensical racket over a stupid German kid who knows crap about the holocaust when the grand majority of US kids don't know about all the atrocities their own country has pulled? |
Because she equates what her nation/countrymen did in WW2 and our war in Vietnam. That's my problem, hence German ignorance. If Child of Thor gets it, why the hell can't the rest of you.
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Muad'Dib - you need to learn to be self critical of your own country when its neccesary(as we all should be of our own), it wont stop you being a true patriot - it might even make you a better patriot; if real Freedom+ true democracy are things you believe in. |
Child of Thor, I am. But damned if I remain silent and let ass holes equate genocide with accidents. And I congratuate you as one one of the few who sees the difference.
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Master Zen
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of naughty
Jan 2003
time: 23:24
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Originally posted by Muad'Dib
Wrong, we're an interventionist nation, otherwise that s**t hole you call a country would be part of the good 'ole US of A. Which wouldn't be such a bad thing. Mexico's greatest export is its people. What a shame. Almost 200 years of independence, and nothing to show for it except adverse poverty.
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Heh, with a statement like that, you should honestly realize why everyone who's seen this thread thinks you're an utter retard. Truly the pinnacle of debating skills.  
Oh and btw dumbass, perhaps you've never heard about the Philippines, or Cuba, or a plethora of little pacific islands which in the industry are called "colonies". So yes, that makes the US an imperialist country.
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Because she equates what her nation/countrymen did in WW2 and our war in Vietnam. That's my problem, hence German ignorance. If Child of Thor gets it, why the hell can't the rest of you.
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You've pratically denied or minimized your country's wrongdoings yet you continue to act all offended by the comments of a stupid kid and generalized it as if it was a summary of the entire German nation's sentiment regarding the holocaust. What is it I'm smelling? HYPOCRECY.
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Child of Thor, I am. But damned if I remain silent and let ass holes equate genocide with accidents. And I congratuate you as one one of the few who sees the difference. |
My Lai = "accident"? Geez christ you're stupider than I thought.
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Muad'Dib
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Of The Known Universe
Jan 1970
time: 05:24
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Heh, with a statement like that, you should honestly realize why everyone who's seen this thread thinks you're an utter retard. Truly the pinnacle of debating skills. |
Nice rebuttal.
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Oh and btw dumbass, perhaps you've never heard about the Philippines, or Cuba, or a plethora of little pacific islands which in the industry are called "colonies". So yes, that makes the US an imperialist country |
Somebody should let Uncle Fidel know he's not in charge anymore.
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My Lai = "accident"? Geez christ you're stupider than I thought. |
Hitler to Hadler: "The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. All officers will have to rid themselves of obsolete ideologies. I know that the necessity for such means of waging war is beyond the comprehension of you generals but... I insist absolutely that my orders be executed without contradiction. The commissars are the bearers of ideologies directly opposed to National Socialism. Therefore the commissars will be liquidated. German soldiers guilty of breaking international law... will be excused. Russia has not participated in the Hague Convention and therfore has no rights inder it."
Show me a directive from Nixon, Westmoreland, or any US officer inregards to Mi Lai, and I'll admit I'm wrong. Ass hole
Mi Lai was an aberation.
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
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It's also funny to see how MrFun is as lonesome leader in this thread post-wise. He even outposted Muad'Dib.
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I have followed this thread from it's birth, and of course it took it's natural course into internal american issues just as any other thread, but I have not yet seen any shread of evidence that that girl is in any way representative of what ordinary germans are thinking.
Shortly said, MD hasn't proved anything except that he probably has build a bunker loaded with weapons and supplies so he can defend himself when the evil non-us (and that includes of course alle nonpatriotic us citizens) world are attacking.
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Hawthrone
Mar 1999
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There was a holocaust?? 
Seriously Muad'Dib, first you should cut on your insults, this is getting you nowhere. Second, there are elected representatives in Germany who you can turn to as for their statements on the holocaust. Why not take their statements over those of some randomly picked up teenager? Third, self-critic is an important part for a functional democracy, teenagers have yet to learn that, you OTOH should already know!
Fourth, this whole holocaust thing while tragic is getting on my nerves and will lose all its power if you invoke it every millisecond! People will not become sensible, but blunted.
I've been to Buchenau and I saw the horrors of the past. Even though it was my grand or great grandfather (generally spoken) who commited the atrocities. Have you been to Vietnam? Have your children been? How many young Americans go there and educate themselves about the horrors?
AFAIK there are lots of schools in Germany and Austria who organize trips to concentration camps.
As I'd try to interpret what the kid was saying: hey man, why aren't you looking at yourself for some moment. We've been told for 30 years that we are bad bad bad. And when I look around, I see atrocities and war and suffering everywhere... and you know... when we were so bad.. what's that what you were doing?
I think it's only a valid question in order to be able to define yourself in an environment.
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Muad'Dib
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Of The Known Universe
Jan 1970
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I've been to Ravensbrück, Muad'Dib. Have you ever visisted Vietnam? |
Came close once. Went to Thailand & Malaysia, but I ran out of money and had to go back home. Besides the US hadn't normalized relations yet, so it was rather difficult to get in. And I bet you didn't go until after '89. I'll get there eventually.
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:24
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Also before '89 you could visit concentration camps. On the contrary. as far as anti-fascism goes the commies did a better hob than these liberal twits.
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
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Those films are liberal lies.
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Master Zen
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of naughty
Jan 2003
time: 23:24
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Originally posted by Muad'Dib
Nice rebuttal.
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Compared to the crap you posted, yes.
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Somebody should let Uncle Fidel know he's not in charge anymore.
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Someone should give you a history book of your own country, preferably 1896-1914.
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Hitler to Hadler: "The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. All officers will have to rid themselves of obsolete ideologies. I know that the necessity for such means of waging war is beyond the comprehension of you generals but... I insist absolutely that my orders be executed without contradiction. The commissars are the bearers of ideologies directly opposed to National Socialism. Therefore the commissars will be liquidated. German soldiers guilty of breaking international law... will be excused. Russia has not participated in the Hague Convention and therfore has no rights inder it."
Show me a directive from Nixon, Westmoreland, or any US officer inregards to Mi Lai, and I'll admit I'm wrong. Ass hole
Mi Lai was an aberation. |
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NOBODY here is saying that the Holocaust and the Vietnam War are comparable, is it so hard to get that into your little head? Moreso, despite repeated mentionings, will you be so kind as to explain to us why you consider the words of one German kid to be representative of the entire German nation?
Btw, if you want evidence of genocide undertaken by Americans, seems you keep forgetting your less than stellar record with the native american populations:
"Kill Cheyennes wherever and whenever found"
"Kill and scalp all, big and little; nits make lice."
- Col. John Chivington (Military District of Colorado, 1864)
"We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to their extermination, men, women, children."
- Gen. William Sherman (1866)
want to read more? 
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Oct 2001
time: 15:24
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Yes, but we don't own the Phillipines now, do we? |
Irrelevant. The point is, that outside the North American continent, the Spanish-American War is when American imperialism really began.
The after effects can still be seen in American policy towards the Panama Canal and Panama itself, the American sponsored coup against the legitimate democratically elected Arbenz government of Guatemala in the 1950s, to serve the interests of the United Fruit Company, many of whose major shareholders and directors happened to be in Eisenhower's cabinet or were, for instance, American ambassador to the United Nations.
It can be seen in America's attitude towards Nicaragua, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Chile, Venezuela, Angola- imperialism isn't simply about owning or occupying foreign territory, it's also about a mindset and economic power.
But don't take my word for it- try this man:
" It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.
I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.
I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."
Major General Smedley Butler, U.S.M.C.
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