07-07-2005 09:14									#331
	Support Apolyton

So on to MY character ...

Magrat has made it past Hell's Precipice ... and was dropped in Droknar's Forge. Bah. Where to from here? It was during an "american" favor of gods, as far as i know ... yet I can't do anything else main-quest-wise (ie, HoH, Underworld, etc....) ?

Off to Google it, but it's annoying the game doesn't lead me on its own ...

	07-07-2005 11:57									#332
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Yes. The warriors role is to be a royal pain in the ass to the monks, and deal a bit of damage too. They are never going to match the damage output of elementalists.

Actually, warrior have better base DPS (up to 70 DPS) than Elementalist and it can continue dealing it indefinitely. The problem is that there are a lot of counters to a warriors.

quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 Don't forget, also, Jamski, that Warriors (with their stances) often are the only class that can actually survive a lot of the knockdown/etc. effects from the other team. Having a Warrior in such a stance while the opposing team is casting meteor shower or something, early on, means your warrior can shrug it off and run over to their (whatever's most dangerous at the moment) and knock *him/her* down ...

You can run away from a Meteor Shower area, only 3rd meteor deals damage and knocks you down. So, as long as you see a distinct sound and a 1st meteor falling, you can leave the area.

quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 So on to MY character ... Magrat has made it past Hell's Precipice ... and was dropped in Droknar's Forge. Bah. Where to from here? It was during an "american" favor of gods, as far as i know ... yet I can't do anything else main-quest-wise (ie, HoH, Underworld, etc....) ? Off to Google it, but it's annoying the game doesn't lead me on its own ...

What did you want to see? "Game over" message?
You can visit Underworld from a "Temple of Ages" when your world have a favor
Maps, just in case if you don't know where it is http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/...ead.php?t=15190

HoH = Hall of Heroes, it's the last map of Tombs (of something Kings, but everyone calls it "Tombs"). It's not a quest, it's a 8v8 group PvP single-elimination never-ending tournament.

	07-07-2005 13:27									#333
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

Yeh, i knew the HoH part, and figured out Fissure/UW just recently ... pissed off, server crashed with me just getting Gryphon quest (after killing a billion spirit-guys) ... sigh.

Had fun playing protecting monk tho ... life bond, life bond, life bond ... 2 healing monks plus me, nobody took damage except the idiot necro who kept getting himself killed ... thought +10 regen was enough to keep him alive. Not even with Life Bond ...

	07-07-2005 17:50									#334
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: Actually, warrior have better base DPS (up to 70 DPS) than Elementalist and it can continue dealing it indefinitely. The problem is that there are a lot of counters to a warriors.

That 70 DPS (for an optimal build used by an expert player) is so easy to reduce to a non-figure. Anything that blinds the warrior makes that an effective 7 DPS. Anything that slows the warrior makes that an effective 0 DPS. Common spells like Ward vs Melee and Aegis (c'mon every party has both these days) each give melee attacks a 50% miss-chance. Ward vs Melee can't even be countered, as its not an enchantment! And then there's the 3 or 4 seconds it actually takes a warrior to get into melee range...

	07-07-2005 18:09									#335
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

It's not that hard to counter elementalists either. Quickening Zephyr, Fertile Season, Wards, Diversion, mana drain, interrupts, protective spirit, spell breaker etc.
Besides, conditions like blind aren't a big problem. Even without Martyr, monks should be able to remove it.

Well, noob teams of 6 warriors are not a problem (we use Ward against Foes, Ward against Mellee and Aegis on 3 monks). But one or two good warriors in a good team shouldn't be underestimated. After all, even counters need energy. Warriors don't work as a part of a build like Air Spike, but they're efficient in just about any other build.

	08-07-2005 00:02									#336
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Agreed. There are counters to everything by construction, and saying build/class x is bad because is has a counter is just silly.

	09-07-2005 21:26									#337
	Increase Your PM Length

So I think i'm going to keep myself a protecting monk ... any suggestions for a PvP build for that?

7 Earth Magic
9 Healing
14 Protection
9 Divine Favor

PvE build:
Blessed Signet
Ward vs Melee
Ward vs Elements _or_ Aegis depending on circ.
Life Bond
Shield of Regeneration
Shielding Hands
Rebirth/Ressurect/Etc.
Orizon of Healing

I cast life bond on all warriors and any other player who gets hit regularly. Not sure how valuable Shielding Hands is, it's a nice spell at max prot magic, but it has a long long recharge ... any other good prot magic spells to replace it with? (Deflection possibly)

For PvP i am not sure what the optimal build is. I could guess:

Blessed Sig
Ward vs Melee
Ward vs Elements
Aegis
Life Bond
Shield of Regen
??
??

where ?? are probably from a collection of:
Ward vs Foes
some Remove Condition spell
and ???????

Going to go try Tomb out in a bit. Perhaps it'll be interesting.

	09-07-2005 21:52									#338
	Support Apolyton

is that a 12 8 8 7 - Combo with 2 Minor Runes (and one Major)?

	09-07-2005 22:00									#339
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Looks too spread to me. Healing with divine favour, protection and earth spells. People want healing monks with all out healing or prot monks, and then the earth would be good. I'd go E/Mo Earth/Storage/Prot.

	09-07-2005 22:38									#340
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

My ranger is still in pre searing. Is there any specific quests that must be not missed? I figure that quest to get recaincartion signet is one of them.

	09-07-2005 22:44									#341
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Hunters Beer!
Besides that,the res, the belt Bag and your Class quests are quite importante. Everything else is optional.

Last edited by Main_Brain on 09-07-2005 at 22:52

	09-07-2005 22:58									#342
	Increase the size of your Attachments

quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Looks too spread to me. Healing with divine favour, protection and earth spells. People want healing monks with all out healing or prot monks, and then the earth would be good. I'd go E/Mo Earth/Storage/Prot.

The healing/DF are mostly there because extra earth is a waste, and my weapon/second were healing/DF specced. (Now i could go divine favor and ignore healing if I wanted.)

I already made this char, anyway, so that's why i have to stick with Mo/E and not E/Mo.

	10-07-2005 00:15									#343
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Originally posted by Barinthus My ranger is still in pre searing. Is there any specific quests that must be not missed? I figure that quest to get recaincartion signet is one of them.

It's a good idea to make all quests there. That way, you'll be lvl 7 and probably with some materials for armor. Anyway, it's better not to miss any quest that gives skills. Also, one quest gives 1 skill point.

	10-07-2005 00:26									#344
	Remove this text

Nod that's why I'm still in pre searing - I want to do all quests I can find.

Got the belt pouch, that skill point already. HOw do I get more backpack?

Also how do I know which items I want to keep for armor? I got tons of salvage items in my inventory which re takingup space ha.

Did the across the wall - whoo charrs were fun to play with Finally some challenge, I'm already level 7

	10-07-2005 00:27									#345
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Also are there elite skills to be had in pre searing?

	10-07-2005 00:53									#346
	Remove this text

My Mo/W (Antti Thesis is his name) just went through Searing (at a comfortable level 7, going 30% on 8). Didn't bring TOO much crafting materials along, but have been managing nicely, and I think I did pretty much all quests pre-Searing (including the one that gives you a skill point). Have been playing every possible hour when I'm not working or having a bodily function...

	10-07-2005 01:17									#347
	Inflate your Upload Space

Ranger Armor?
YOu look here:
http://www.gwonline.net/page.php?p=71

	10-07-2005 08:53									#348
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

thanks, guys!

	10-07-2005 14:11									#349
	Remove this text

quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 The healing/DF are mostly there because extra earth is a waste, and my weapon/second were healing/DF specced. (Now i could go divine favor and ignore healing if I wanted.) I already made this char, anyway, so that's why i have to stick with Mo/E and not E/Mo.

That logic wont cut it with good groups. Make a PvP only character.

	10-07-2005 14:13									#350
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by Barinthus Also are there elite skills to be had in pre searing?

All the elite skills are Crystal Desert and beyond, ie 18+.

	10-07-2005 22:46									#351
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Alrite As for Gwen -

spoiler(highlight to read): I gave her tons of iris flowers, a flute, and a cape. Did her broken flute. She still wants to follow me around which is fine except if I get stuck in a corner and she blocks my only way out :P Anyway is there anything else left for her? She talked about apples so I thought maybe if I was to take her to that Mary woman whose applebasket I retrieved, something'd happen but nothing did.

	11-07-2005 01:25									#352
	Put an end to popups!

Wow. I got totally hooked to that random team PvP thing in Ascalon Arena. Is there anything you gain besides balthazar points? Not that I mind them, playing in itself is quite fun, but it does take a long while to get together a working team that will get you those 10+ runs of consecutive wins. And I already got complimented a few times on my healing

	11-07-2005 01:30									#353
	Get a bigger avatar today!

There used to be xp for pvp but no more

Ascalon arena is fun its nice getting points for easy kills

	11-07-2005 03:33									#354
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

You can get fame and rank, but you need to fight in tombs. And it's much harder.

	11-07-2005 04:06									#355
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

I've only played for two full days and already it's getting insane like that. Most of the merit goes to Oranjus, though, he was the bulk of the winner party. I and he were the only ones to last with it to the end - we even managed to win when someone logged out before the restart and left us by ourselves and a third guy. Alas, a similar incident, in battle 40, was what caused our demise. Only so much a party without 25% of its strength can do.

Good thing though, I was already considering getting a bucket to pee in since the toilet is so far away...

	11-07-2005 15:01									#356
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

How can I activate those WeaponSets F1-Fx ?
I think I accidently deactivated them :/

	11-07-2005 16:59									#357
	Full PM-box? Change here!

the button is in your inventory between your paper doll thing and your inventory space

	11-07-2005 23:22									#358
	Got spare money?

quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia I've only played for two full days and already it's getting insane like that. Most of the merit goes to Oranjus, though, he was the bulk of the winner party. I and he were the only ones to last with it to the end - we even managed to win when someone logged out before the restart and left us by ourselves and a third guy. Alas, a similar incident, in battle 40, was what caused our demise. Only so much a party without 25% of its strength can do. Good thing though, I was already considering getting a bucket to pee in since the toilet is so far away...

The early arenas are screwed now because of so many people being run to Droknars and getting the best armour straight away. If you won 39 probably one or more of your team mates had.

	12-07-2005 01:02									#359
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Bah. Already progressed beyond the level barrier for AA though...

	12-07-2005 01:11									#360
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Originally posted by DrSpike That logic wont cut it with good groups. Make a PvP only character.

Haven't found one of those yet

Probably will. And there's nothing wrong with an Mo/E. Altho i'm getting some Mes skills as Mo/Me just to see if there's anything worth doing there May make a R/Me or Me/R eventually ...