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UnOrthOdOx is offline UnOrthOdOx
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Melee ward works wonders there, though. Can't be removed.

Has me considering ward against harm from the water line, though, for the same reason that it wouldnt be removable. But, I'm still partial to the 50% miss from Melee ward.

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Its a dead class to me. I didn't put any points into the Mesmer Attributes, and I don't really intend to.


Well if you have another plan for getting energy you don't really need it. On my E/Me I plan to use energy stealing powers. I don't think the scope for devious ploys like yours is quite so rich for Elementalists, though I'll look into it.

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Oh - and my Warrior 7 Cpl Carrot is in Ascalon (but with great armor and weapon ) and my Ranger 17 Angua vonUberwald is in ... hmm, one of the druidesque cities. Magrat Garlick (20 Mo/E) is in the Mursaat area, i think the 3rd or 4th area post-infusion (and now infused )

SirOsis, I don't think R/Mo would work very well ... Mo just doesn't add enough as a secondary. Mo works well as a secondary with Warrior (because it has some Adrenalin skills, plus you can use the +3hp/sec regen enchantment to help you tank better), and as a "primary" secondary with Elementalist (as E gives it a huge energy stash), but it doesn't add much to Ranger (who shouldn't be getting hit too often, thus no significant bonus from the enchantment, and there's no adrenalin to use).

Ranger should probably go with
1) Mesmer - lots of good things here, that help your bow skills work better; also some energy regen to let you use more bow skills
2) Warrior - lets you tank a bit better, and especially if you decide not to use a Bow as your primary but focus on the other ranger skills (wilderness or beast master i guess?). I've seen some R/W that use a dual weapon wield (one is a Longbow [for range, used to pull and to Pin Down]; one is an axe [for melee]) that are REALLY good. Ranger armor may not be as good as warrior armor, but R/W has some nifty uses.
3) E or N - not really useful, but you can curse or use some of the E skills that are similar (mostly earth/air/water). Also effective if you want your Ranger to be mostly a wilderness/beastmaster - you can add E or N to that to allow you to do some actual damage while doing your other things (especially N).


Ranger/Necro for mass life drain is an awesome combo though.

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Now... how about a W/E with focus in Earth to use Armour of Earth, Watch Yourself! and Ward Against Melee The tank that would not die

-Jam


This is on my shortlist for my warrior ubertank build!

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I just got my first 3 fame points Now... how does one beat the Koreans?

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My friends have suggested getting the Collector's Edition since it comes with a headset. My instinct tells me it'll be a piece of crap since it's bundled, but has anyone here actually got it, and is it worth anything? It'd be a w00tly way to co-ordinate, in any case. And is there a built-in talk thingee in the game itself (I'd imagine since there's a bundled headseat)? I'm also looking into getting vanilla games and headsets separately, in case that'd be cheaper.

Edit: Finnish stores don't seem to carry the CE pretty much at all anyway, so I think this is not an issue anyway.

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There's no built-in talk - people use teamspeak or type. I just had a PvP battle lasting 45 minutes in Hall of Heros This game is awesome.

We lost

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how do those things go?

because I think that if I play for more then a month or two I will have to get into it

JM

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Headset is actually a good one - it's a Logitech. Most well organized guilds have Teamspeak, although it costs money for the server. I use only the headphone part, but that works fine, and it has an attached volume control in the cord that's nice.

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I just got my first 3 fame points Now... how does one beat the Koreans?


Nice Koreans are unbeatable, sadly.

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Teamspeak isn't subtitled in the game?

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Teamspeak isn't subtitled in the game?


What the JEBUS?

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I would imagine that the algorithm, processing power etc. required to convert human speak spoken into a crappy ten dollar microphone even remotely correctly is not worth it when you can just type. In an online game, at least.

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And then to build that into a game too... teh crazy.

Ok, I must beat Koreans. I MUST beat Koreans. I came up against a Korean team of 7 Lightning Elementalists and 1 Monk. I was dead before I could blink. Literally. 3 seconds later the other monk on my team was dead. Talk about making a focused build.

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Yep ... koreans are definitely good at some things, and focused builds are one of them

Do you want a Sup. Protection rune btw? I have one that's not going anywhere, and i could use almost any other monk sup rune (not smiting, though, god forbid)

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Jam: A good player would have countered instead of dying.

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Yep ... koreans are definitely good at some things, and focused builds are one of them

Do you want a Sup. Protection rune btw? I have one that's not going anywhere, and i could use almost any other monk sup rune (not smiting, though, god forbid)


Thanks, but no thanks. I'm already using a Sup Divine Favour, and I can't take the health hit from two Superior Runes. One Rune is manageable, but two... eep

. . .

Ok Doc, how would you counter being dead from 7 simultanious lightning spells cast the moment they come in range? That's about 1,000 points of lightning damage within half a second btw. Ok Spellbreaker, if it was possible to beat the cast and anticipate the target, would keep the focus-fired target alive for another 14 secs or so. I guess a well-drilled team could cover all monks with Spellbreaker at intiation of hostilities and then have 14 secs to kill at least 2 of the Air Elementalists to stop their spiking ways.

-Jam

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You need a Lightning Conductor Elementalist to draw their fire, er, lightning!

(This from the school of using can openers to attack heavily-armoured knights)

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You`d need the" Each hit takes at max 10% of your Life " -Spell
(Schutzgeist/ Protecting Spirit )

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Its a flawed counter. Each "saved" hit costs me energy. A monk with no energy heals about as well as a dead monk does... still... its costing the other team much more energy.

No!

I'm thinking of Protective Bond, the 5% version!

Hmm... Protective Spirit... gives me a chance to spam Healing Touch on myself. Its a 3/4 second cast time, so I might even be able to save someone else with it.

Edit: Correction, its a 1/4 second cast. Even better.

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Or just be able to smack them around as hard and as fast as they are smacking you?

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Divine Intervention should also help, or do like snoopy said.

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There are counters to the team, but they really require as much of a focus as that team does.

7 mesmers who planned out and sat on one of the elementalists each, for instance, would do some good damage, for instance.

Blackout immediately comes to mind there.

Mantra of Lightning.

The secret to beating the lighting builds is to outlast their spike. They run dry on mana quick. Mesmers can help them along with that and completely neuter them.

Rangers to a lesser extent.

In theory, imagine a team of 8 ranger/mesmers or mesmer/rangers.

The idea is you cast a preparation (apply poison, melandrus arrows, etc) maybe a nature ritual spirit or two to boost arrow damage. And arcane echo, all before the enemy is in range.

Then each blackout an enemy. This turns your arcane echo into another blackout. You have 6 seconds of boosted arrows to spread conditions and focus fire on an enemy team with no skills. Cast your second blackout, again, one on each enemy as soon as you cane. You have another 6 seconds. By the time you get skills back, your first blackout will have recharged, and you could hit them again. 18 seconds focusing on players with no skills, thus no healing, SHOULD be able to take out the enemy monk(s). Especially if the rituals and preparations were properly stacked within the team so that those monks were poisoned, bleeding, (-7 all together?) and being hit with boosted damage arrows. Should be academic after that.

It would take coordination, and would be susceptible to having the blackouts interrupted. Mending and other buffs could possibly become problematic. But...

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But... with an all Ranger team you have the perfect solution to any buffs the other team are using. Nature's Renewal anyone?

Yes, having a fantasy team like that is one way of looking at the problem of defeating a dedicated Korean guild, but let's take the far more prevalent pick-up group or whatever guild members happen to be on + that monk you just met group. We don't have that luxury of a team all of one class. Luckily most of our opponents are the same. Generally these non-specialised teams do about as well as the skill of the players would indicate - they make the best of what they have.

How about Winter + Ward Against Frost? Will it reduce the spike damage enough that the Zappers have to play a "normal" battle?

 
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