08-06-2005 22:54									#31
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But it would actually be cheaper to buy another 1 GB when it's needed rather than now . Which is the reason why most of us don't specifically order 5 GHz machines with 4 GB RAM now for 20 thousand dollars .

Oh, and you can do some programming with far less memory than that . cmd->debug and go .

	08-06-2005 23:24									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Solver 2 gigs of RAM? What conceivable use is that? In other words, is more than 50% of that memory ever used?

Actually, yes. Especially when you're running, say, the Sims 2 + some other stuff.

	08-06-2005 23:59									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Solver But it would actually be cheaper to buy another 1 GB when it's needed rather than now .

You'd be surprised. I buy a new PC maybe once every 5-6 years, but when I do I buy absolute top-of-the-line (for the consumer market anyway). I find that saves 50% or more compared to buying an average PC every 2-3 year, and the only thing I usually have to upgrade is the graphics card. I could probably save a few more € by waiting a few months/years before installing more memory, but why bother? As Kuci says, you *do* notice the difference with heavy loads. There's no such thing as too much memory...

quote: Oh, and you can do some programming with far less memory than that . cmd->debug and go .

Keyword: some

	09-06-2005 03:03									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I'm golden with my 2 gigs of RAM and 3.4 GHz processor

I have the same.

	09-06-2005 10:52									#36
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Did I already brag about my system

Oh, my graphic card is a GForce FX 5200
I'm not sure if that'll be good enough. But maybe I'll buy a new one anyway 2 weeks before cIV has been released and put my current card in my wife's computer.

	09-06-2005 14:28									#37
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A FX 5200 will run Civ4. The card is fully capable of handling a 3D engine, after all. Maybe it would be better to turn off, say, shadows, but you can definitely run it as it is.

	09-06-2005 14:39									#38
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a new version of a great game, always the perfect time to upgrade the old wonder beast that runs the show

	09-06-2005 15:05									#39
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A better time to upgrade is AFTER you get the game. That way, you see how it runs on your old rig, and can then be excited by the dramatic improvement after your upgrade .

	09-06-2005 15:09									#40
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Maybe I should buy a total new machine

	09-06-2005 16:02									#41
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And send me your old one .

	09-06-2005 16:25									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Solver A better time to upgrade is AFTER you get the game. That way, you see how it runs on your old rig, and can then be excited by the dramatic improvement after your upgrade .

good point old chap very good point

	09-06-2005 17:03									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Solver And send me your old one .

nah, a p4 3,2Ghz 1GB RAM isn't worth those stamps.
I'd rather trow it away at once.

	09-06-2005 21:08									#44
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Ahhhhhhhhh. I have a MAC

Anyone have any experience with Civ for Macs? I just switched to Mac this year when I entered med school (mainly because in the back of my head I knew I wouldn't be able to play Civ at school and thus not fail the USMLE's when Civ4 came out) but my lust for Civ4 grows stronger every passing day.

Is there a way to get some Windows thing going on Mac so I could play the game when it comes out, or are there usually generally comparable Mac versions and expansions?


PS I'll give anyone a free lobotomy in about 10 years if you help me out (your choice of region)

	09-06-2005 21:09									#45
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We don't know if it'll even come out on Mac.

	09-06-2005 21:10									#46
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In fact, Civ games are typically released for Macs. And that happens much later than the Windows release. Not getting any new games quickly is what you subscribe to when buying a mac .

	09-06-2005 21:13									#47
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They never released the C3 expansions for Mac. Given that Apple's changing architectures, even, Firaxis might just ditch Macs entirely.

	10-06-2005 03:14									#48
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Even if Civ IV for the Mac does come out, you'd probably have to wait several months to get it.

	10-06-2005 03:28									#49
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Unless Apple buys Firaxis .

	10-06-2005 03:59									#50
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I think that's slightly less likely than the windows executable, through sheer chance, working perfectly on a Mac

	10-06-2005 09:19									#51
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Not sure if an Intel Mac will do Windows any better.

	11-06-2005 20:54									#52
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quote: Originally posted by VonSharma I'll give anyone a free lobotomy

now he tells me!!!

	14-06-2005 05:17									#53
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quote: Originally posted by lebensraum now he tells me!!!

That is the target audience for Macs.

	17-06-2005 05:15									#54
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Great.
Just discovered that my graphic card doesn't have hardware supported T&L...

	17-06-2005 06:14									#55
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According to news posted on the Civ IV section:

quote: CivIV`s minimum and recommended system requirements are also revealed officially for the first time. The current min[imum] spec[ification] is a 1 GHz Pentium [III] with 256 MB RAM and a video card that supports hardware T[ransform and] L[ighting (T&L)]. We haven’t really worked out a recommended spec[ification] yet, but I imagine having 512MB of RAM, a P[entium IV], and a recent graphics card... would probably do the trick.

It's not different from the requirements for Pirates, so I guess it is fine - at least for me, considering that Pirates runs well on my system.

	17-06-2005 13:31									#56
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hum, my laptop has integrated Radeon IGP 320M, 64 MB, total 512. It has no T&L. Processor is 2800 XP-M. What gives, the game does not play at all or it seesaws my nerves?

	17-06-2005 13:42									#57
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It appears my old GeForce2 Ultra supports TL.

	17-06-2005 14:06									#58
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How to find out if TL is supported by a graphics card?

	17-06-2005 16:15									#59
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For instance, Google up your graphics card and see its specifications. As the news item on our Civ4 section says:

quote: To determine whether or not one`s video card is T&L enabled, one must first know their card adapter and chip name and then comptently research its capabilities online using a search engine such as Google. To make this initial determination: 1) Right-click on a blank part of the desktop and click `Properties`. 2) From the `Settings` tab of this window, left-click on the `Advanced` button. 3) Click on the `Adapter` tab. 4) Note the name of the adapter type and chip name for researching.

	17-06-2005 20:07									#60
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Thanks for the help, but seeing 5000+ links when doing a search on my graphics card statistics is a bit daunting.