29-08-2005 18:15									#181
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With Yang having built quite a number of Aerospace complexes, the drop unit would only help to garrison captured bases or with a drop probe to mind control a yang base.

But I am not in favour of tech or unit exchange with Spartans.

And yes we may have to speed up our 'invasion of Yang plans.'

btw with our two foil probes we can steal Chaos and Doc: Ini from Yang and if the probes survive, maybe even mind control a base or two.

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	29-08-2005 18:33									#182
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am i the only one here that sees sparta as ''the bad guys'' im opposed to doing anything with them besides keeping up diplomatic pretenses. although if we can get something better than simply EC or some very good tech, i could support that...

	29-08-2005 19:18									#183
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I would give S nothing so that their military might is further reduced by Yang then if we help S.

Their is helping and their is cutting your own throat.

As far as the war I would start making stratigic air strikes on Yang while our units move into place.

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	29-08-2005 21:44									#184
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Cataphract, Spartans are IMO not so much the 'bad guys' as the strongest opposing team around, and I'm at this stage only too willing halt their progress in every non-war method available to us.

	30-08-2005 04:27									#185
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I would also not be willing to give Spartans that ability. No wonder choppers are not that good if you cannot attack bases.

So we need a rufasal letter, something so much sweet that they could not feel like an actual rejection.

	30-08-2005 04:40									#186
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Maybe hint at a divide in dealing with Spartans following loss of two Drop Probes and loss of PE to them?

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	30-08-2005 05:30									#187
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	30-08-2005 06:05									#188
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder Cataphract, Spartans are IMO not so much the 'bad guys' as the strongest opposing team around, and I'm at this stage only too willing halt their progress in every non-war method available to us.

heh,well i always like to refer to an oppsing force,the strongest one ussualy,as ''the bad guys''. excuse me if they arnt

	30-08-2005 22:19									#189
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Dear Spartans

Your recent proposal is equitable in any sence of the word.

The problem lies in that not all out bits and bytes are in agreement.

For this reason we will have to live each turn as it comes.

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How is that for saying no nicely.

	31-08-2005 16:35									#190
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	31-08-2005 19:25									#192
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posted in the Embasy

	31-08-2005 20:43									#193
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I did not have the time to look where exactly the coords are, but yes, just drop it in and we'll get you the clean drop former shortly thereafter.

best,
Lord binTravkin

	31-08-2005 21:09									#194
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I have just checked the cost of:

Drop scout, 1^-1-1, 2 rows (16 minerals)
Drop-A-scout, 1^-<1>-1, 2 rows (16 minerals)

We can then ask Gaians to upgrade it to:

Clean-drop-scout, 1^-1-1, clean

and drop it back to our territory and turn over the control.
As Geo suggested, working on scouts here is cheap and faster. I am going to ask this Gaians, but finally:

We give Gaians:
drop+AAA
drop only

Where do we stand?

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And to clear some things, I just checked if I could airdrop a unit into a pactmate base with air complex. Yes. no problems detected. I even simulated multiplayer game here. We can build aircomplexes alright

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	31-08-2005 21:13									#195
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aye on the drop only unit,unless they give us more

have simply been monitering your exchanges in light of your experiances with this btw

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	31-08-2005 21:40									#196
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Orig we talked about AAA but final msg talks only about a Drop Garrison.

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	31-08-2005 21:45									#197
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I know, but we would transfer to them 2 abilities for their 1. Gaians have nothing for exchange at the moment. So would go 1 ability for 1 ability. They probably will not have very hard feelings about it. We can always transfer AAA in the future. Maybe even trade AMA.

Unless you think giving AAA in advance would aid their effort in fighting Yang. He does not have tacticals so far, but after being attacked that may changed. Any oppinions?

	31-08-2005 21:57									#198
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we could give it to them no charge, as they are the weakest human faction it apears(?) to help ensure they survive S but i would wait to see what yall think

	31-08-2005 22:06									#199
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Let's wait with the AAA ability. Heck, if really necessary we can always gift the tech in case things look dire for them. Soon they have a new Centauri tech no-one else has so if we feel we need that tech we can trade.

	31-08-2005 22:08									#200
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I also say make it a AAA

	31-08-2005 22:09									#201
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You want to give AAA+drop ability to the Gaians with no second ability in return?

	31-08-2005 22:13									#202
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That way they will be more able to take a Yang Base instead of the Spartans taking it.

Also a 3 way asualt will be more taxing on Yang resources then a 2 way squeeze.

	31-08-2005 22:38									#203
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AFAIK, Gaians will attack the Hive regardless. Just in case this isn't clear to you, AAA (anti-air) is good for defense, but hardly useful for ground/airdrop assaults. Tactical fighters are used for that and the Gaians have that ability already.

	31-08-2005 22:47									#204
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Remember the saying that a good ofence is having a good defence.

The safer they feel the more they will be willing to do on there own.

Plus it is freind helping freind.

Plus Plus that way they are safer from Spartans.

Plus Plus Plus it gives us a card for the future in terms of Gaian relations.

end result: overruled and not sending AAA.

	31-08-2005 23:27									#205
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perhaps im overestimating S chances here,but id rather give AAA for nothing and risk them beating us anyway in the endgame then watching them crumble and die and we lose then anyhow.

ill back whatever descision yall make here. just my $.02

getting the centauri tech would be a good idea though. perhaps they might actually give that to us free if we do free stuff now? or am i being to trusting,probably...

quote: its simple. you do good things and good things happan to you. it took alot of pounding but i finnaly learned my lesson

another zillion xenocookies if you can get that quote

edit; empath is 2\2\2 isnt it?

	31-08-2005 23:38									#206
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I think you bring, Forester, many good points as to why give AAA to Gaians now. Any base with AAA plasma and air complex, and we know Yang is building them, have around 12 on defense against air units. So any base taken by Gaians with air complex intact would be good for having AAA.

If we are going to be in a strong political agreement with Gaians, their couple of more AAA units against Spartan air forces might be good. After all, they will more compete for Hive bases there, since they are in vicinity more than us.

We might directly inquire Gaians, if they would be willing in the future return the favor, since we would be giving 2 abilities and receiving 1. Plus future better relations, what in long run may count significantly more. Imagine Spartans attack Gaians soon, Gaians might feel we did not help them enough sooner. We are attacked by Spartans, then Gaians would be more willing to help, if they received something from us before (this AAA now). I do not consider Gaians to be treacherous very soon towards us. Spartan military threatens us both. And there lurk Morganities out there, with their potential, they are still extremely powerful.

Any more thoughts?

	01-09-2005 02:40									#207
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Promise to send AAA unit shortly or if they ask for it sooner, but we would ask, for the same reason as we are exchanging units now that they do not pass tech knowledge to any other faction.

Is Cent Medit any use to us btw except for IODs?.

Gaians are 2 years from tech discovery so will not want new tech until after discovery.

Let's remember another point. AMA is on the road to Fusion. Early acquisition of Fusion can help us catch up with Spartans and they longer other factions don't have it the better for us ,which is also why having the HSA is important to us.

	01-09-2005 03:27									#208
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I also thought of another possibility. After getting PSA we will be able to choose:
1) Fusion
2) Orbital Spaceflight
How about combining research with Gaians? They do one of these techs and we do the other? We might arrange it, like providing Gaians with what they need to choose one of them. With the rate around 10 turns/tech we might have both Fusion and Orbital before like 2200.

	01-09-2005 04:01									#209
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I can go with that.

But still be mindful of Spartan Plan Data ability.

Anyway, so we get on the path towards Fusion and feed them same pre reqs but they choose Orb. Space.

Ok it is doable.

Just one thing. Gaians have made a sizable jump in the charts. And Gaians (under BinT and Chaos and using ICS) is a formidable outfit. Oh and especially with clean ability.

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	01-09-2005 05:21									#210
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I realize that. Still the best ally for us I think. Unles we go for cooperation with Spartans. But they never consider Pact with us, while Gaians are pacted for many years now.

We might go similar strategy too. Raising land and making mineral-energy parks there is a good way to go I think. I have seen Kryssia Krusader (in CGN) doing that stuff - incredible results.

I noticed how Gaians after popboom raised in the power. They have much better economy now than ours.