26-06-2005 10:09									#121
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Normal people also make assenine assumptions.

Good to see you are so normal, kuci. The common American

	26-06-2005 10:34									#122
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Where was my asinine assumption?

That you should hate the actual evil more than the hypocrite?

	26-06-2005 10:42									#123
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither So you're saying that the positives mean nothing. Only the negatives.

No, I'm saying that it's pretty flat year over year

Over 5 years the trend is obvious though.

	26-06-2005 10:48									#124
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Where was my asinine assumption? That you should hate the actual evil more than the hypocrite?

No, that "normal people are stupid"

	26-06-2005 10:49									#125
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That's actually a rather reasonable conclusion from your statement.

	26-06-2005 10:50									#126
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse No, I'm saying that it's pretty flat year over year Over 5 years the trend is obvious though.

OK. If you ignore the backlash against Iraq, I suppose you can dismiss 2004. What, were all the surveys similarly misreporting a down tick? Or are most of this year's falsely reporting an up tick?

What was that saying? Something about liars, damn liars, and statistics?

	26-06-2005 10:59									#127
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker That's actually a rather reasonable conclusion from your statement.

Actually, no, since "hate" is an emotion, and thus inherently unreasonable and irrational.

Rationally or logically speaking, most people should not give a damn since say China's treatment of the Tibetans has just as much to do with their lives, or what will matter in their lives, as the US's treatment of people in Guantanamo, ie. NONE.

That of course is different from Ethically speaking, in whcih case you deplore China and castigate the US.

	26-06-2005 11:02									#128
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither OK. If you ignore the backlash against Iraq, I suppose you can dismiss 2004. What, were all the surveys similarly misreporting a down tick? Or are most of this year's falsely reporting an up tick? What was that saying? Something about liars, damn liars, and statistics?

Huh? I'm saying that there is insufficient evidence for an uptick. It falls inside the realm of statistical uncertainty. The bounds of experimental error do not allow us to report any signinficant upward or downward trend over the last year in any except a couple of countries.

I don't know how else to put it.

	26-06-2005 11:31									#129
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I think you are putting it in the bleakest light possible already, so I am sure you do not know how to make it worse.

	26-06-2005 11:33									#130
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The coalition has been suffering troop shortages from day one and they will get worse.

But that may not be a bad thing - there is no military solution, either in Iraq or more widely. This is a political/ security/ intelligence/ law enforcement problem. The insurgency in Iraq or Afghanistan or elsewhere has inexhaustible supplies of cannon fodder aka martyrs. This is the central difference between the US and its allies - even on the ground in Iraq the allies treat the problem in a very different way.

The sooner the US is weaned off seeing terrorism as a "war" to be fought with troops, the better.

The best if imperfect example is Palestine where progress is being made through political means.

Everybody needs something to live for.

	26-06-2005 12:46									#131
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quote: Originally posted by Gatekeeper The reason for this, I've been told, is because the rest of the planet knows it can't do jack when it comes to changing internal Chinese policies — they can complain all they want, but it won't matter much because China isn't exactly a representative democracy nor transparent.

While the PRC is progressing the US is regressing.

	26-06-2005 12:56									#132
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither I think you are putting it in the bleakest light possible already, so I am sure you do not know how to make it worse.

Bleak? I'm saying that there's insufficient evidence for a change over the past year and that's bleak?

	26-06-2005 16:34									#133
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse The coalition has been suffering troop shortages from day one and they will get worse. But that may not be a bad thing - there is no military solution, either in Iraq or more widely. This is a political/ security/ intelligence/ law enforcement problem. The insurgency in Iraq or Afghanistan or elsewhere has inexhaustible supplies of cannon fodder aka martyrs. This is the central difference between the US and its allies - even on the ground in Iraq the allies treat the problem in a very different way. The sooner the US is weaned off seeing terrorism as a "war" to be fought with troops, the better. The best if imperfect example is Palestine where progress is being made through political means. Everybody needs something to live for.

	27-06-2005 03:33									#135
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Actually, no, since "hate" is an emotion, and thus inherently unreasonable and irrational.

I'm sorry I originally assumed people were intelligent and rational. I agree, that was asinine

	27-06-2005 03:38									#136
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger While the PRC is progressing the US is regressing.

Yes, great progress

	27-06-2005 03:44									#137
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And China's political freedoms have grown so much since this:

	27-06-2005 04:51									#138
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker And China's political [prohibited language in text, please delete - the PRC thanks you] have grown so much since this:

China banned that word so you're going to have to rewrite that.

	27-06-2005 05:18									#139
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I'm waiting for the Chinese censor to do the job for me

	27-06-2005 08:18									#140
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the war is going to run out of support before it runs out of soldiers

	27-06-2005 08:28									#141
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quote: the war is going to run out of support before it runs out of soldiers

True Horsie. We need to impliment the Zkribbler Exit Formula:

Troops(needed) = Troops(trained Iraqi) + troops(Coalition)

Therefore as the number of trained Iraqis increases, the same number of coalition troops can be pulled out.

	27-06-2005 08:51									#142
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we just put a battalion in there to help out - we got our own province - just like we did in Vietnam

	27-06-2005 08:55									#143
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As I recall, the Aussies were awesome in Vietnam...except for that little incident where the country ran out of Fosters, and the military tried to foist American beer off on them.

	27-06-2005 09:07									#144
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These nine rules were handed out to all Australian soldiers in Vietnam

NINE RULES

1. Remember we are here only to help; we make no demands and seek no special treatment.

2. Try to understand the people, their way of life, customs and laws.

3. Learn the simple greetings of the Vietnamese language and use them frequently.

4. Treat friendly people, particularly women with respect and courtesy.

5. Don't attract attention by rude behaviour or larrikinism.

6. Avoid separating us from the Vietnamese by a display of great wealth or privilege.

7. Make friends amongst the soldiers and people of Vietnam.

8. Remember decency and honesty are the signs of a man and a soldier; bad manners are the sign of a fool.

9. Above all remember you are an Australian, by your actions our country is judged. Set an example of sincerity and fair play in all your dealings with Vietnamese and with other people who are assisting them.

	27-06-2005 09:40									#145
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler True Horsie. We need to impliment the Zkribbler Exit Formula: Troops(needed) = Troops(trained Iraqi) + troops(Coalition) Therefore as the number of trained Iraqis increases, the same number of coalition troops can be pulled out.

Worked in Vietnam!

	27-06-2005 10:06									#146
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Well, except for that little invasion by the entire North Vietnamese Army thingie right there at the end, yeah.

	27-06-2005 10:24									#147
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Zkrib for SecDef

	27-06-2005 11:03									#148
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler Well, except for that little invasion by the entire North Vietnamese Army thingie right there at the end, yeah.

there's always someone around who'll spoil a good plan

	27-06-2005 11:46									#149
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Zkrib for SecDef

He should come back to playtesting Civ scenarios instead.

	27-06-2005 12:26									#150
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Zkrib for SecDef

I'd certainly take him over the current genius in charge.