11-07-2005 07:11									#121
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Do any of our German refugees know how the odds of free settler stack up if we follow your scenario?

Krill's plan looks very nice.

Pop is power, people. Delaying a granery in a swing food city is very short term thinking. We are not going to win this game by playing the start conservatively.

	11-07-2005 08:16									#122
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Should we take chances? Most certainly! Just make sure the chances we take have a good bang for your buck ratio.

	11-07-2005 08:51									#123
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Trip posted this over at UN, a little over 2 hours ago

quote: We have received word that the Batrachos turnplayer has formatted his hard drive since playing the turn and that someone else will have to redo it when they get the chance.

So, we wait longer...

E_T

	11-07-2005 08:53									#124
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree Should we take chances? Most certainly! Just make sure the chances we take have a good bang for your buck ratio.

There is no better bang for buck than rapid growth right at the beginning.

	11-07-2005 08:55									#125
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither There is no better bang for buck than rapid growth right at the beginning.

I wholeheartedly agree.

	11-07-2005 08:55									#126
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Especially when we chose the civ that can do what Krill proposes better, and safer, than any other.

To not play to our strengths would be folly.

	11-07-2005 08:56									#127
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Let's hope all the kinks are worked out before the next turn or I predict we'll be playing Civ4 while debating if we should build a granary or not.

	11-07-2005 10:01									#128
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep While I agree a rush is too risky, I think you're right to bring up that we should go against the builder grain. We're Sumeria. We have a cheap 10-shield 2-defense unit. That is perfect for "choking," invading someone's territory with them and pillaging, denying resources, etc. It doesn't require nearly as much effort as an invasion, and the civ facing the choke must devote resources to Archers and/or swordsmen to be able to overcome it and get on with their own building. Especially if we have a close neighbor we wish to take out eventually, a choke would be perfect for our civ. Although it would guarantee that early GA.

And it would entirely defeat the strength we may have in MZs department.

If we opt to choke a neighbour, and ignore our own builder strengths, we will be locked into war with no possibility of escape until most of the other civs are so far ahead of us that the rest of the game we are constantly playing from behind.

I strongly urge we play to grow early. War will find us soon enough. Let us be the larger fish so that we may eat the smaller fry.

	11-07-2005 10:05									#129
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we'll at least know that the map maker, CDZ, and everyone else we can think of can't find their a$$es with two hands and a map

	11-07-2005 11:16									#130
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither having watched the German teams regularly pop free settlers from huts, I am a long way towards convinced.

They have always been expansionist civs (Arabs) when doing so.

	11-07-2005 11:31									#131
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Here's something that might help. Someone over at CFC figured out the probabilities for huts. He created a spreadsheet (with instrcutions) to calculate: http://www.civfanatics.com/civ3/strategy/goodyhuts.php

When I figured it out, we're bound to get something beneficial, with about 30% chance for a free tech, and 15% for all the other available options.

	11-07-2005 12:07									#132
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Nice spreadsheet. One thing to add: if you settle a city directly adjacent to a hut, you'll never get barbarians

	11-07-2005 12:08									#133
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If we pop a hut with the following conditions, then these are the chances of recieving each of the following:

Conditions
1. Not have more cities than there are number of total cities divided by number of Civs. (For Settler or City)
2. Not have a military unit. (For No Barbs)
3. Not have a settler in production. (For Settler or City)
4. Must be in Ancient times. (For Tech)

code:

City          14.3%
Tech          28.6%
Gold          14.3%
Settler       14.3%
Map           14.3%
Warrior       14.3%
Barbarians     0.0%

If we have a military unit the chances for Barbarians go to 65% and Tech goes to 10% and the rest go to 5%.

	11-07-2005 12:09									#134
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster Nice spreadsheet. One thing to add: if you settle a city directly adjacent to a hut, you'll never get barbarians

That's because you can never get barbarians within 1 tile of a city.

	11-07-2005 12:12									#135
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One thing that will increase the chances of getting a settler is to find a hut that is on top of a lux or a resource. Because if you do, and the "roll" determines "gold", the game will re-roll until "gold" does not come up thereby increasing your chances for a settler.

	11-07-2005 12:23									#136
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I see a ~30% chance for a city or settler, and ~30% for a tech.

That's good odds (57.2%) of getting something well worth four or even six worker turns.

	11-07-2005 15:32									#137
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree One thing that will increase the chances of getting a settler is to find a hut that is on top of a lux or a resource. Because if you do, and the "roll" determines "gold", the game will re-roll until "gold" does not come up thereby increasing your chances for a settler.

How do you know this?

	11-07-2005 18:05									#138
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree code: City 14.3% Tech 28.6% Gold 14.3% Settler 14.3% Map 14.3% Warrior 14.3% Barbarians 0.0%

So there is a 0% chance of nothing? Why does that sound odd?

However, the 28.6% change of a city/settler is greater than I thought.

The free tech would most likely be Cer. Burial. If we were to go this route, would it not be advisable to go with setting our research to 0% on cer burial (because you don't pop a tech you are researching) so the most likely tech would then be W.C.?

	11-07-2005 18:20									#139
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quote: The free tech would most likely be Cer. Burial. If we were to go this route, would it not be advisable to go with setting our research to 0% on cer burial (because you don't pop a tech you are researching) so the most likely tech would then be W.C.?

That is a good idea, as the gold that we gain we will definately be used to support an extra unit or the granary, no matter what we do.

	11-07-2005 20:29									#140
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since c3c there are no empty huts anymore...

and i am a 100% sure that you actually can pop techs you are researching (we even made a scenario at gwt to prove it)

	11-07-2005 20:45									#141
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quote: and i am a 100% sure that you actually can pop techs you are researching (we even made a scenario at gwt to prove it)

That only happens if there is only one tech left in the anchient era, and you are researching that tech.

	11-07-2005 21:13									#142
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quote: Originally posted by Poly-Akryll since c3c there are no empty huts anymore...

Hmm... I cannot argue this as I tend to avoid huts until I can pop them with fast movers (to escape the bars). Can this be confirmed?

quote: Originally posted by Poly-Akryll and i am a 100% sure that you actually can pop techs you are researching (we even made a scenario at gwt to prove it)

I will not deny this. I have seen it many times, but as Krill pointed out, it only happens when there are no other techs to get.

	11-07-2005 21:18									#143
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quote: Originally posted by Krill quote: and i am a 100% sure that you actually can pop techs you are researching (we even made a scenario at gwt to prove it) That only happens if there is only one tech left in the anchient era, and you are researching that tech.

It was alpha....and with testing via change the defelop you could choose which tech you found..it was always the tech you still was searching on :donk:.

	11-07-2005 21:43									#144
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From the UN, posted yesterday

quote: We have received word that the Batrachos turnplayer has formatted his hard drive since playing the turn and that someone else will have to redo it when they get the chance.

	11-07-2005 23:37									#145
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quote: From the UN, posted yesterday We have received word that the Batrachos turnplayer has formatted his hard drive since playing the turn and that someone else will have to redo it when they get the chance.

It's good to see the teams at the top of their game....

	12-07-2005 00:43									#146
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BAT have started with the delays from the first turn
it is good see them in a shape

	12-07-2005 00:56									#147
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quote: Originally posted by Krill quote: and i am a 100% sure that you actually can pop techs you are researching (we even made a scenario at gwt to prove it) That only happens if there is only one tech left in the anchient era, and you are researching that tech.

as leif already said: thats wrong :P
and it was also not like we had all the other techs that do not need alpha. i am not a 100% sure but i think even CB was not researched yet...

though we wondered about it as we also thought it is impossible to find a tech you are researching at the moment.
perhaps it is c3c-pbem specific

	12-07-2005 01:16									#148
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster quote: Originally posted by BigFree One thing that will increase the chances of getting a settler is to find a hut that is on top of a lux or a resource. Because if you do, and the "roll" determines "gold", the game will re-roll until "gold" does not come up thereby increasing your chances for a settler. How do you know this?

I know this because it has been tested and shown that if a hut is on top of a Luxury or a Resource that it will not give "gold" as a reward. Now, since a hut has to give something, the game re-rolls what happens if in fact the number for "gold" turns up. The game will continue to re-roll in this situation until something comes up that you are eligible for.

	12-07-2005 01:18									#149
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither I see a ~30% chance for a city or settler, and ~30% for a tech. That's good odds (57.2%) of getting something well worth four or even six worker turns.

I agree it is worth the shot.

	12-07-2005 01:19									#150
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quote: Originally posted by Poly-Akryll since c3c there are no empty huts anymore...

This has been confirmed.