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Gatekeeper
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United States of America
Feb 2000
time: 23:18
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There are people in this world who *enjoy* killing others, and they will stoop to any means and/or hijack any cause to do just that.
And, like anything else on God's green Earth, these terrorists have their "rah-rah" supporter types who write of terrorism that targets civilians and whatnot as legitimate because it has "just causes" and other assorted crappola. The cruel, inhuman part of me simply wishes that these people, these supporters of monsters, would themselves become victims of what they extol ... to see their children, their *babies* blown apart into a million bloody pieces, to see their brothers and sisters and friends torn asunder by shrapnel. The human part of me — a big part, by far — simply weeps everytime someone uses deadly violence to advance their "cause." The spiritual part of me simply sometimes wants *nothing* to do with my fellow human beings, to separate once and for all and never look back. Unfortunately, that's called running away, and it never solves things, just delays the day of reckoning. So, for better or for worse, we're stuck with each other and, damnit, we'd better not wipe each other out or, at the very least, not take the planet with us when we do finally commit suicide as a species.
As for political ramifications, I really don't think it's going to affect the British much. Their "stiff upper lips" aren't works of fiction, after all.
Gatekeeper
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:18
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Whether or not you agreed with the Iraq war to begin with, there is now a battle in Iraq between those who want a democracy, and those who want either a return to brutal Sunni minority rule or a Taliban style state. If those wanting a democracy don't win, it will not only be a disaster for the Iraqi people, but Iraq may then also become the next major base for international terrorism where they are allowed to train freely. |
Actually, the situation in Iraq is a battle between those who want a pluralistic federated republic, or a return to a Sunni authoritarian state, or a Shia Theocratic state, or an independent Kurdish state, and those who want a Taliban style Islamic state.
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It's true any one country can take itself momentarily out of the way of the conflict by withdrawing from Iraq. But for defeating this menace in the long run the best course of action is to keep of fighting in Iraq until the Iraqi government is able to handle the country on it's own. |
Of course, had the US not invaded Iraq, the jihadist would not have a chance in hell of taking over (they still don;t as their suppoert base in Iraq is too small).
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BlackCat
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Some has stated that the only real effective way to fight terrorism is to prevent that anyone want's to join the terrorist groups. I agree on that, but that may not be as easy.'
Local news has talked with locals in different places in ME, and common people despise what has been done but they too say that they understand it because of the atrocities that the western world are doing to the Iraqui people.
As far as I know none of those soldiers stationed by several countries are committing any atrocities on a daily basis, so wy do they think that ? The answer is that their main source of information is Al Jazeera wich shows closeups of Iraqui victims of yet another incident. Only problem is that they don't say that those victims are the result of those fighting against Iraqui freedom - admitted, they don't nessecarily claim that it is us/the coalition that has done it, but that would just make it less effective.
My best guess why some may join organisations that declares "holy war" is that they really don't know what is happening.
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molly bloom
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Lundenwic
Oct 2001
time: 15:18
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
evidence on deliberate killing of Afghani civilians by people that Thatcher explicityly endorsed? Something comparable to the bus bombings, pizza parlor bombings that Hamas has engaged in? |
The charming Mr. Abdul Haq, 'FREEDOM FIGHTER' and mujahedin for instance ?
He had been responsible for a bomb at Kabul airport in 1984 which killed 28 people, many of them students and schoolchildren preparing to visit the Soviet Union.
Haq said the purpose of the bomb was "to warn people not to send their children to the Soviet Union".
Mr Haq then came to the United Kingdom in 1986 at the request of the then government, and at U.K. taxpayers' expense.
Of his tactics of firing rockets indiscriminately at Kabul he said:
" I have to free my country. My advice to people is not to stay close to the government. If you do, it's your fault. We use poor rockets; we cannot control them. They sometimes miss. I don't care about people who live close to the Soviet Embassy, I feel sorry for them, but what can [I] do? "
"Fight on!" exhorted Margaret Thatcher.
On March 5th, 1986, a Downing Street spokesperson issued this statement :
" The Afghans don't see themselves as revolutionaries. They're only trying to resist an invader and win back their freedom. The prime minister has a degree of sympathy with the Afghan cause inasmuch as they're trying to rid their country of invaders, which you cannot say of the A.N.C. and P.L.O. "
Haq said in a recent interview: " There was nothing I could do that didn't involve killing my own people."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai.../28/wlamb28.xml
Mr Haq was an avid supporter of the obnoxious Gulbuddin Hekmatyar.
What a difference a country and a decade or two make for Mrs. Thatcher's scruples:
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Former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher has angered Muslim leaders in Britain by criticizing them for not speaking out louder against the September 11th attacks. Scholars of Islam in the United States, where Muslim leaders from a broad spectrum of Islamic organizations by and large have spoken with one voice in condemning the attacks, disagree on whether Thatcher's criticism is founded.
"They must say that it was disgraceful," Thatcher told The Times in an interview published Thursday. "I have not heard enough from Muslim priests."
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Chicago Sun-Times CATHLEEN FALSANI RELIGION REPORTER
Well possibly because there aren't Muslim priests, but I suppose one can't expect someone who thinks there's no such thing as society to understand that.
So it's okay to indiscriminately kill Afghan schoolchildren and students and residents of Kabul, but anyone else....
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