01-08-2005 21:00									#451
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I don't find serial killers very interesting..

Snape on the other hand is interesting (possibly the most interesting?)

JM

	02-08-2005 01:08									#452
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Yes, but Voldemort is without a doubt a serial killer . So him having a past that suggests that is normal.

As for the romances, remember a woman is writing the books . That and it makes Harry a bit more well rounded (though I hear the sex scene in Book 7 will be lights out ).

	02-08-2005 01:54									#453
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I would've bet that there wouldn't be sex scenes.

Actually, I'd still bet that, unless you were actually referring to something JKR said.

	02-08-2005 02:01									#454
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I think that was a joke, Kuci.

	02-08-2005 02:03									#455
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:mrfun:

	02-08-2005 02:05									#456
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We really ought to have a :mrfun: smilie. What would it look like?

	02-08-2005 02:17									#457
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maybe with gay replaced by mrfun

or

or just



, but rainbow-colored

	02-08-2005 02:25									#458
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quote: , but rainbow-colored

When Guynemer asked, this sort of came to mind, but it's offensive to mr.fun. So yes, it's a great idea.

	02-08-2005 03:48									#459
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker :mrfun:

And to opening up a good topic of discussion!

	02-08-2005 04:36									#460
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This is how I have always pictured a MrFun smiley:

	02-08-2005 04:47									#461
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some thoughts on the romance part

I am really glad that there was quite a bit of teenage romance going on, full of blunders and the like

I actually found it missing in books 4 and 5 (there was just a tiny bit with Harry and he was completely out of sorts with it) and wondered to Ron and Harry's developement

if there had been none in 6, I would have thought it likely that Ron and/or Harry were gay or asexual

I would have expected the behavior of both of them to be more in book 4 or earlier (but then there was a decent number of pregnancies in my school at those ages)

in the last two books I could see Harry + Luna or Ginny or Cho

but while I could see Harry + Luna (And both Luna and Neville have really grown on me as characters, thanks to book 5) she doesn't really seem Harry's type

and there would have to be a lot more of a focus on
Harry's love life to explain it (which isn't the story that Rowling is telling)

I mean look at other girls he likes, he likes Quidditch players, smart girls, beautiful girls

Ginny fulfills all these things, apparently in spades (look at how many other boys are chasing her, and Slughorn sees it too)

so of characters mentioned before I started book 6, Ginny seemed the most likely

on other things, talking to a freind he pointed out some things (also in this thread) that suggest that Dumbledore is not really dead

I think he is, but can admit that he might nto be

however, so far it has been a story of Harry, Snape, and Voltemont

if Dumbledore lived I can't but see the story being of him as well, which would be a lot to add to the 7th book

Jon Miller

	02-08-2005 04:51									#462
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quote: if there had been none in 6, I would have thought it likely that Ron and/or Harry were gay or asexual

Yeah, my point entirely. You can't write a book about school teenagers, especially the most popular kid in school, and not have some hooking up. Readers would be wondering what kind of relationship do Harry and Ron have exactly?

Then again, might be nice to see a gay character in Hogwarts, but it may seem all too token.

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there is few enough people discussed in the Harry Potter books (and especially sex lives) that I am not surprised that we haven't seen an openly gay student

Jon Miller

	02-08-2005 05:02									#464
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True, but you think that people that openly wear such garish purple robes (or whatever bright color) we'd have more than one gay person around .

	02-08-2005 05:08									#465
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yeah

but Wizard society seems fairly conservative (they have slaves!) so it wouldn't surprise me if most gays were closeted

of course, Rowling has mostly been quiet on the subject of sex, so it could just be that she hasn't mentioned it

I mean her characters aren't sexless, but it does seem as if there isn't near as much focus on it as there is in the world I live in

(as a point about about the conservativeness= no divorces are mentioned, no people shacking up (even Fleur who is shown in the most sexual manner still comes and tries to be part of the Weasley's family), Ginny is considered a bit slutty for going with a couple guys in the course of a year, etc)

JM

	02-08-2005 05:11									#466
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I mean, for the most part the wizards and witches don't even dress sexy..

instead wizards and witches seem to have a higher then normal interest in sweets and jokes...

I think it is somewhat just a different culture

Jon Miller

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Why on Earth are you using the picture of a female as an avatar icon? Being gay is one thing, having no self respect something compleetly different. It's fucking Maude Flanders!

	02-08-2005 05:32									#468
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quote: but Wizard society seems fairly conservative (they have slaves!) so it wouldn't surprise me if most gays were closeted

Well they aren't exactly human slaves now are they? Humans have dogs and cats, right?

quote: Ginny is considered a bit slutty for going with a couple guys in the course of a year

Haven't you been to high school? Most girls would have been considered a bit slutty for going out with a number of guys in a year... and it was more than a couple. IIRC, it was more around 4.

	02-08-2005 06:48									#469
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthy Why on Earth are you using the picture of a female as an avatar icon? Being gay is one thing, having no self respect something compleetly different. It's fucking Maude Flanders!

she is hot

JM

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Haven't you been to high school? Most girls would have been considered a bit slutty for going out with a number of guys in a year... and it was more than a couple. IIRC, it was more around 4.

Yes, no, no, it was two.

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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller I would have expected the behavior of both of them to be more in book 4 or earlier (but then there was a decent number of pregnancies in my school at those ages)

Perhaps in his extensive research for teaching Dumbledore's Army, Harry stumbled upon the very useful spermicidal spell.

quote: Harry Potter and the Horcrux Dilemma And, with a flick of his wand, Harry uttered Gonada Pathoa directly at Ginny's tummy. At once the entirety of his seed shriveled into nothingness. Ginny smiled.

I wouldn't be surprised. Rowling is known for giving us the unexpected.

	02-08-2005 08:47									#472
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the only heavily implied sex going on that involved people at hogwarts was:

fleur and her date to the christmas thing
madam and hangrid (didn't actually happen at hogwarts)

it seemed like what the students primarily did was kiss.. although I am sure some heavier making out occured

JM
(hasn't even been much implied sex going on between married people)

	02-08-2005 08:49									#473
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OMFG finally a place to unveil my Harry Potter erotic fanfic!

Harry Potter and the Half-Sprung Wand

	07-08-2005 19:26									#474
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Snape isn't really working for Voldimort. I think I can prove it.

Snape knows Trelawny is the seer who made the prophecy, but he's never told Voldimort or his followers in all those years.

	07-08-2005 19:30									#475
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The proof is simple: Snape saved Harry first year at the Quidditch match. He had no reason to do so at all, unless he was good. He could've done nothing.

	07-08-2005 19:33									#476
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That too.

	07-08-2005 19:40									#477
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He also appeared in the Foe Glass at the end of Goblet of Fire.

	07-08-2005 19:52									#478
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Snape did?

He was a foe of Crouch.

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Kuci, most of the people (like me) who believe Snape betrayed Dumbledore think that he had been playing both sides up until he got forced to make the Unbreakable Vow, and then made the irreversable decision. He was certainly working for Dumbledore up until the end of GoF at least.

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some quick comments

1. Good book. Not quite up to the standards of 3 and 5 though. Felt a bit rushed - lots of plot to get through, not as artful a story arc. possibly because of
2. In book 5 and 6 harrys coming of age work is principally becoming independent of dumbledore. In book 5 this is emotional independence, learning D's fallibility. In book 6 its D actually dying. Not as artful.
3. Snape remains the most fascinating character. Still up in the air how he turns out. I cant beleive the emphasis on the unbreakable vow wasnt meant to tell us something. With Bellatrix and Narcissa there, could he have found an excuse NOT to make the vow? OTOH I still think he could be evil. Or, well, just very complex.
4. Pettigrew. Was the line about his debt to Harry in book 3 just a throwaway?
5. Its inevitable kids this age will have relationships. But "shipping" remains stupid.
6. Im just not gripped by the hocrux (?) debate. Too little to go on. We'll see.
7. Am I the only one who picked up the WOT references - the useless Ministry pamphlets, the pendulum swinging from a Minister who ignored the death eater problem, to one who mainly tried to look tough, and imprisoned innocents?
8. Young Tom Riddle - remember in book 2, book 4 - where Tom/Vold indicate he grew up oppressed by muggles in an orphanage, and that his muggle dad abandoned his mom when he found she was a witch? Now we find out that wasnt quite true - Tom senior was under a love potion, and left Merope cause shed bewitched him, not out of anti-wizard bigotry. And the orphanage was pretty decent, and it was Tom who was abusing the muggle kids, apparently. Or was it some kind of cycle - Tom was odd, the kids teased him, then he tortured them? And Merope was in a pretty desperate fix with her dad and brother, wasnt she? Evil has sources, and is not always out of the blue, though its not necessarily the simply explanation the evil one wants to give.