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RegentMan
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That one says "Blah blah" in it too. Did they put that part into the message, or is that your doing?
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Hot_Enamel
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Melbourne, Australia
Aug 2002
time: 14:37
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After we lead some topics already in common between our civilizations, and discuss it with the Brazuca people, we came with a "package deal" that we like to link, making our nations more close and friendly. We would like that this proposal went submitted to the appreciation of the people of Apolyton, in order to permit a consensus about those subjects. We expect a positive proposal and so fast as possible.
Yours, etc, etc…
The most sincere blah blah… of your friendly Nation.
Here is our proposal:
--->About the exchange of technologies:
The Brazuca civilization proposes the exchange of Bronze Working by our Alphabet.
Good
--->About the Screens:
Our people have the full intention of carry out such trade with you, people of Apolyton. However we’d like to know in that "molds" we would make this exchange. An example: We’d like to know how much information we must pass you, and which kind of Screens. I don’t know if I was understandable, however the Brazuca people would like to know more details of this trade.
Good
I think a straight swap with resources/units turned off.
--->About the agreement of maintain units at least 1 tile from the borders:
Beyond concretize this deal, we’d like to increase somewhat in the style of exploration: We’d like that the curraghs have free passage by the cultural borders of the nations. Of course we should debate more about the matter, it’s only a demonstrative of our intentions.
Good
---> The Brazuca civilization would like to include in this "package deal" a peace treaty, with duration of 50 turns on average. We find this an interesting topic it to be analyzed, for that we’ll be able to grow and develop our nations in a complete way, and may this bring joy and brotherhood to our peoples.
No NAP's - Try to get out of this.
If we do decide to attack, this is waving a red flag saying we are going to do it in 50 turns. (or at the end of whatever NAP extension we agree to after the 50 turns)
And if we attack early, we up with an even worse reputation
--->The Brazuca people would like to ask priory to register our agreement in the UN. The Brazucas citizen are a little fearful, and despite of knowing that a feeling of cooperation between our peoples exists, insists on the idea of prevent any possibility.
Good
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E_T
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Orlando, Florida
Mar 2001
time: 00:37
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o.k., some thoughts...
First off, good to hear that they agree with the border closure issue (of 1 tile distance).
2nd - great with the Alpha for BW.
This defiately shows they are NOT researching it, nor are they planning to in the near future. This goes along with the thought that they are going for Philo and the free tech.
3rd - Screenshots, still under debate, but (personally, IMHO) we need to make sure that we only exchange terrain features and no resources and nothing in our mutual cultueral interiors. But that's my take on this issue....
4th - 50 turn peace bad... essentially a 50 turn NAP. Can we turn this around or lessen the timeframe? I don't think that we can entirely remove this?
5th - Passage for Curraghs!! That confirmes that their newest city is on the coast!!! Great Intel for so little.... Also good to know, that it's mainly working on seafaring units and not land units (from that city, for a time). Goes along with the 50 turn NAP. They will want 2 or more, to go along with the coast. This we can deal with, as long as they give us the same....
6th - UN registering of treaty - as long as it's not public, because of not having contact with others. Please NOTE: this is an opertunity for getting information from them, during next contact/chat. Must be handled carefully. If they have contact with someone else, we might be able to get that Intel from them, with this issue. i.e., "well we don't want others to know that we have contact", "but we do know of someone else...ulp!!" or something along that line. Again, handle carefully, maybe in a mistranslation, of doing a translation, too quickly...
Also, we want to, ultimately keepour rep clean. If they don't have contact with other continent, then they won't even know about it.
7th - Package deal. Can this be negotiated, maybe removing part (i.e. NAP) or parts, as separate deals. Tech exchanges, for instance. We might be able to take like it is, but with renegote with now techs or something. Something that's innocent, but able to nulify the NAP issue??? Or, can we turn around, to where every new tech issue, invoved renegotiating whole deal?
8th - delaying tech transfer - due to possible plans for war with CBR. First haggle over points, but not too much. Maybe with clarifications and such, to put some delay in there. Than afterwards, once details are hamered out, we let them know, that we have to poll this and because of us having large Lurker pop (truth), we will need to have a longer than normal poll time. This gives us another built in delay for that transfer. The longer they don't have it, the less Spearmen that we might have to deal with, if we DO go to war. And we don't get poll up until late...
Now, let's hope that they won't want to do to us as they did to CFC....
E_T
Last edited by E_T on 24-08-2005 at 10:37
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RegentMan
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And Apolyton's reputation in the Civ IV ISDG. Some people have a long memory...
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24-08-2005 09:59
Just kidding...
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