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notyoueither is offline notyoueither
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Are we sending an official proposal for the respect of borders agreement from chat?

Civ3Brazil gets the save soon, and it would be better if their warrior kept it's distance from Poly.

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Feb 2002
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I hope so. Do not enter within 1 square of our border with their explorers. Do not get within 2 squares of our settlers. We will consider these hostile actions, unless cleared ahead of time.

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How do you manage that settler bit, since you can't see them until adjacent if you are both moving on grass?

Also, that wasn't discussed.

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I'd be a bit hesitant about mentioning that we see any intrustion on the buffer zones as a 'threat,' if only for the sake of appearing nice for the time being.

nye's also got a point about the settler. Maybe leave it at a one tile buffer, or at leaat a prohibition on interfering with the settler's planned route.

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Jul 2005
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First a little bit about myself:
I am Emp. Napoleon. I was ambassador to CBR for 5 terms in the Preliminary Round of the ISDG for CFC (RL time: from about April to December.) During this time, I befriended many of the team members and got lots of info from them. All this is taken from my terms in office, and may be slightly outdated.

My threads about CBR elections back at CFC:
C3B Election Fun!

C3B Election Fun! II: Prelude to War

These links should give you all the information you need on CBR. The fallowing in just a little outline.

CBR Government
The President heads the government of CBR. He plays the turn and acts as Head of State and Government for the nation. He is elected along with all the other ministers.
Past office holders: Pggar, JokerDF, Krasan, Master of Civ

However, he does not do all of the planning. The bulk of the planning (consisting of workers and city citizens) is done by the second in command, the Minister of Internal Affairs.
Known past office holders: Cassio

There is also a Commander of the Military, and he runs the military (duh.)
Known past office holders: Master of Civ

There is also a Minister of External Affairs. He is the chief of foreign relations for the nation. He seems (but I may be wrong, it may be presidential order of by referendum) that he has the authority to close relations with a nation, possibly by not appointing an ambassador to the nation. Ambassadors can be appointed, removed, or switched by the Minister of External Affairs.
Known past office holders: JokerDF, Krasan, TheCat, SilverWolf

There is also a Minister of Science, but I have never meet one.

From the links I gave you, I talked about political parties. However, it seemed like most of them had gone away by the end of the game.

CBR Important People
Krasan
He was ME (Minster External), ambassador to CFC, and President. He was well liked by the team at the end of the game. He is a good friend with TheCat. He is more or less of a pacifist in the last game, but did talk of war with other teams.
RL Occupation: Website maker for an economic journal

TheCat
She was a very important diplomat in the last game. She was ambassador to CFC and ME, and was a decent diplomat. She is one of the few women on the team, and the only two other women she does not like. She tried to make peace with CFC, but it did not work. She did most of the dirty work it seemed, but was always limited by her superiors. She is also idealistic, and likes democracy over practicality. She hates Cassio and Silverwolf.
RL Occupation: Small Business Owner (I think)

Cassio
Formed his own party in CBR, and was very war like. He said a lot of “rude” things to Cat, and they hate each other. Read the entire thread for details. He was also Minister of the Internal. Many consider him a joke though.

SilverWolf
Ambassador to CFC and ME. He is “deceitful” according to Cat. He is on the sly side, and can be tricky. Only real important note: Portuguese, not Brazilian.

Master of Civ
President, Commander of Military. Not a diplomat, nor the best in English. He let the diplomats do their job.

Johannes
A very independent ME who was very straightforward. LOTR nerd. Of all the people on CBR, he was the most annoying.

There’s a lot more, but it’s been many months since I have thought about the ISDG. When more comes back to me I will update.

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Jul 2001
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CFC opened it's forum to the public? whoah.

Poly-Akryll is offline Poly-Akryll
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CFC opened it's forum to the public? whoah.


i thought every team that did not reach the final has opened their forum to the public, at least GWT did so, too...

though most of you might have problems understanding german

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Aug 2002
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We found it easier to just recruit the Germans instead

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quote:
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CFC opened it's forum to the public? whoah.

Right here.

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yes I told them that. I hope they understood it.

btw, can some mod rename this thread "Civ-Brazil Diplomacy thread" or something in that line?


Check. MIA PBEMs coming this weekend.

The visitor is gone! I have time to get over my 6 weeks of straight illnesses, to relax and to do SOME OF MY OWN FU*KING PHD WORK INSTEAD OF RUNNING AFTER HER ALL THE G*DDAMN MOTHERF*CKING TIME.

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When should the PhD work be done? I remember you're doing it since I was registered at Apolyton.

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PhD works last forever...
Talking about diplomacy... IMHO, we should officially propose to CBR the screenshot trade and the borders trade. They did not respond our first approach. "I have to talk with my team", said Wosret.
They seem to suffer from “lack of members”, too… So, it’s possible that they just hadn’t time and/or people enough to discuss. Like us. Anyway, we should do something. I don’t like to sit here just waiting…

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yup, making some pressure could be useful for us, especially if they accept our conditions

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How do other members of our team feel about trading screenshots?

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  Old Post 20-08-2005 04:29
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Not entirely sure....

Definatly, with internal cultural border tiles blackedout and Map Natural Resourses Setting turned off. Also, if we have any improvements, outside of cultural borders (like a road headed to a new city site, before it's built) shouldn't be shown.

If it has their scout move off and not get an "ingame" look at our area, before settling, then that's good!

E_T

sirleif is offline sirleif
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well they know where our Capitol is- we don't know where there's is :/.

not easy - need to talk with them rigth.
Peaceful-> rigth.

Exchange map, option later after we have some info more about them via some kommunication post.


I hope we don't sse in some turns there second city @ the cattle.

sirleif

N35t0r is offline N35t0r
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Well, we can assume that the other civs are close to each other as well, so we can talk this to them and convince them that we need to cooperate in order to keep even with the other civs WRT science...

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PhD works last forever...
Talking about diplomacy... IMHO, we should officially propose to CBR the screenshot trade and the borders trade. They did not respond our first approach. "I have to talk with my team", said Wosret.
They seem to suffer from “lack of members”, too… So, it’s possible that they just hadn’t time and/or people enough to discuss. Like us. Anyway, we should do something. I don’t like to sit here just waiting…


I think CBR is waiting on us for a message. If I am not mistaken, you and MZ are waiting on each other to write it.

In the meantime, tomorrow will mark a week since the chat with no communication either way. This last turn CBR held the save for the full 24. Perhaps they are polling internally about what to do regarding us and the issue in chat to respect borders. Maybe not. Maybe in a day or two they'll meet another team and decide they can say 'screw Apolyton'.

Can we have some action here, please?

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Greetings!

The people of Apolyton would like to propose some deals to our friends and neighbors of Brazucas. We have four points to submit to your consideration:

1 – A Border Agreement: We shall respect the distance of one tile from our borders.
2 – The screenshot trade. Do you have interest in this trade? We could agree on some basics rules.
3 – Tech Trade. We are interested, of course. insert our proposal here
4 – About our world. Insert something like that:

quote:
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Well, we can assume that the other civs are close to each other as well, so we can talk this to them and convince them that we need to cooperate in order to keep even with the other civs WRT science...


Ok, first outline. Please, comment, suggest, correct and so on

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Good start, Aro. I'm not a diplomat, so I'll let others make suggestions.

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I'm not a diplomat


Just like me!

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Looks good so far, Aro. I'd add a little bit to the screenshot trade bit. We don't want to give away too much information, so we should add the conditions that all units, fog of war, resources, and current terrain improvements be wiped from the map (all doable in C3C).

Just be sure to be specific when composing the final message as well, while using friendly language. We don't want to confuse them or scare them off.

N35t0r is offline N35t0r
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I'd leave the resources in... It's probable that they have already seen the gems, and they already saw the cow, wheat and tobacco to the w of apolyton... ditto with the spices.

It will be a gesture of goodwill, and we will probably learn more from their screenshots...

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I think point one is rather exploration agreement than border agreement.

We could direct our explorers to look the lands between us and later work for a border agreement.

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When should the PhD work be done? I remember you're doing it since I was registered at Apolyton.


A PhD lasts three years or more, and mostly 3.5 years here. My 3 year mark will be March 2006, and I estimate finishing between then and September.

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great
after this we will see you more often here (I hope so)

good luck

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CBR still has not researched Bronze Woeking (cost of 81 beakers to them) nor Masonry, Wheel (both 120 beakers) and Warrior Code (90 beakers). As, at this time, WE have produced 103 beakers and 4 gold (total of 107 usable trade for research), and assuming that they are approximately at 90% of our research output (conservatively), that would be assuming that they have put out 96 beakers towards their own research, we can figure the following:

- They aren't researching BW & WC or they would have one of them already.
- They could be researching Wheel or Masonry and we will know for sure which one, in a few turns.
- They could also be researching Writing (240 beakers), heading towards Philosophy.

So, If they ARE going for Philosophy, they are counting on getting the lower teir techs through trade, which presents an oppertunity for us.

Also, with their new city, they do have more usable trade for their research effort, so in a few turns, we can assume that they will have caught up to us, in overall trade over time wise.


On a slightly different note, it's very possible, that their second city is on the west coast, and they will be building (at sometime) a curragh, as they ARE seafaring.

E_T

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Wosret just want to contact us. He's the Foreign Affairs minister of Brazucas.

Just received at MSN (I'm "away")

quote:
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Rodrigo-Wosret <--> É Pression HJ NUM VAI ´PRESTA says:
e ae aro qndo estiver ae me procure por favor


What means:

quote:

Hi, Aro... When available, contact me please!


I've posted in the official correspondence thread. IMHO, we should answer this ASAP. Now, I'm busy. But we could agree in something to talk for now...

Now I'm just driving my son to a party (not really; I'll take a cab). Long story. There's a girl, and this is their first date, etc and etc. He's twelve . So, you guys keep discussing. Soon or later I'll have to answer...

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Go ahead and contact him if at all possible at your convience. I'll bet they want to talk more about the border stuff. Go ahead and see what you can negotiate along the lines of your previously outlined message.

 
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