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I agree, although I don't know where the 80% figure comes from in actual fact. Seems low.
If there were only 10,000 people who went to the superdome, then it seems likely to me that the city was pretty much empty. |
I'm actually hearing that there are 20,000+ in the superdome, including people who were rescued or entered after the huricane when the water started rising.
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DanS
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Kickball Capital of the World
Jan 1970
time: 00:37
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Hmm, I've seen pictures of people moving on the roof of their house, while their car stood on the driveway, and lots of other pictures with cars in it. So not all car-owners left either. |
And not all people without cars didn't leave, either. Point being that the 80% is nothing more, nothing less than a WAG.
The only problem that I heard with the evacuation was that flights out were canceled from Saturday. The rationale was that you didn't want to bring even more people into New Orleans for the weekend. But they could have landed empty and left full.
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DanS
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Kickball Capital of the World
Jan 1970
time: 00:37
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News from sis about her husband's cousin (he has a rather large extended family)...
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[t]hey have a cousin who decided to weather the storm in Kenner (suburb to west of metairie). When the flooding started, it was up to the 1st floor of his hotel. He had no water/electricity for a few days. He thought he would be fine there, but the flooding proved too much for him. He kept calling for someone to come rescue him [DanS note: I assume that she means he kept calling on his cell phone or whatever], but noone can get in except emergency personnel. He decided to walk through neck high water for a few miles until he found someone to take him out of this. As of last night, he was in Baton Rouge at a triage center. Family was going to get him there. He said that he stinks like crap, literally. The water was littered with sewer water, dead bodies and body parts...yuck!! |
FYI: Kenner is the last western urban area near New Orleans proper. Going from east to west, it's New Orleans, Metairie, and then Kenner.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=kenne...24200&t=h&hl=en
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of the frozen North.
Apr 1999
time: 22:37
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Originally posted by DanS
1. It's not hundreds of thousands of people who don't have a car. Don't exaggerate. The vast majority of people have a car. |
Well, a little research clearly shows how wrong you are. The affected gulf coast region has a population of 10 million. In the US 10% of all families and 25% of families earning $25 thousand or less have no car. If we assume (generously) that there are 4 people per family, that's 2.5 million families times 10% equals 250,000 people without a car.
Except that New Orleans is one of the poorest US cities. Louisiana has 181,000 families living in poverty, with a poverty rate of 19.1% (US census). In New Orleans itself, the poverty rate is 28%. So the percent of people without cars is going to be much higher in the city itself.
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2. They had a 72-hour evacuation plan and this hurricane did unexpected things that shortened the available time. |
Why did they assume that nature would give them three days warning?
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3. This is a natural disaster of rather immense proportions. It is natural that it will take a couple of days to get a handle on things. Even in the US, where everything normally works. |
That's true, but the lack of preparation in anticipation of this type of predictable event is obvious. There was NO evacuation plan that took the large numbers of poor in to account, NO housing plan for the large numbers of refugees, and the lack of coordination of the emergency relief agencies is pretty obvious as well.
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DanS
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Kickball Capital of the World
Jan 1970
time: 00:37
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In any event, the math is something like this. New Orleans has half a million people, 20% of whom are impoverished. That's where they got the 100,000 SWAG without cars number and the 80% evacuation number. But lots of impoverished people have cars, despite it all. Beyond that, people can catch rides from friends even if they don't have cars themselves, etc. Of course, there are people who aren't impoverished who don't have cars as well. And there are people, impoverished or not, who have two cars for the family.
Metairie and Kenner, who I guess comprise another 500,000 people or whatever, are also behind the levees and are flooded. As I understand it, and from what I have seen, these areas are very substantially better off than the city of New Orleans. These are suburbs, so very few do not have cars.
Last edited by DanS on 31-08-2005 at 23:09
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DanS
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Kickball Capital of the World
Jan 1970
time: 00:37
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Reports are that the water is no longer rising in New Orleans and stands at 3 feet above sea level, the level of Lake Pontchartrain.
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Gatineau
Dec 2001
time: 00:37
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I'm guessing even a category 1 would be a catastrophy right now.
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31-08-2005 19:49
. They can steal one. They stole everything else. But I guess jewelry is more important than things that could save your life.
. Granted, most of the people would be evacuated by then. So not many people would die. But the destruction would be unimaginable.
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