03-09-2005 17:04									#151
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Not to mention Manolo's

Yeah, real classy. Engage in a spot of conspicuously frivolous consumption whilst the poorest languish suffering from thirst and starvation in a drowned city...

	03-09-2005 17:06									#152
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So.

When will Bush start recalling troops from Iraq to deal with the disaster...?

	03-09-2005 18:38									#153
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quote: Originally posted by Dis check out this article about protecting the Louisiana coast. http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0410/feature5/

Great, scarey article.

When did National Geographic print that?

edit: okay, apparently it was October 2004.

	03-09-2005 18:57									#154
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro Any construction experts here? I wonder - if most of the city is under water in NO for a long time (heard reports that up to 80 days may be needed to get the water out) - what does that mean to the entire infrastructure, houses etc.? Are they still useable then, or do they have to rebuild many buildings? And what about protecting the city in the future, this was certainly not the last hurrican. And even without them, I read that the city is constantly sinking and losing ground to the ocean and could be literally wiped off the map by the end of the century even without any more disasters. Wouldn't that mean they need some massive protection system, like the huge one which is built on the Dutch coast?

I'm not a construction expert but I'll make two points.

The wooden shacks that are underwater will probaly be bulldozed. Not because of mold but because of contamination and because most of them were 1 step above condemnation anyway. Anyone who lives in the south lives with a variety of forces including ants, termites, various molds, and hot humid summer weather that rapidly degrade wood. Its a fact of life here.

Most people are unaware of the damage done by hurricanes to large buildings (as I was until last year). They dont tend to fall down but the combination of high winds and the surge can cause high-rise building to become structurally unsound. In Alabama last year (hurricane Ivan) we lost a huge number of the large beachfront apartment buildings. All of the buildings still standing in the downtown district (including the superdome) will have to be evaluated and some (possibly more than just a few) will have to be wrecked. An even larger proportion of the buildings along the coast, that had surge damage in addition to the effect of the winds, will also be write-offs.

	03-09-2005 21:00									#155
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS So. When will Bush start recalling troops from Iraq to deal with the disaster...?

my sister, who dates someone in the army (reserves? I don't know..), thinks that this is a real possibility

JM

	03-09-2005 22:35									#156
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Look, 100,000 people - that is only 2,000 bus journeys!

Six days on and there's still tens of thousands of people waiting to leave - just how ****ing incompetent can you be!!?

How about a history lesson for all you neo-cons who still insist on defending this grossly incompetent admistration...

Dunkirk 26 May - 4 June 1940, 65 YEARS AGO!!!

In ten days 338,226 people were rescued by a fleet of mostly small wooden sail boats across about 30 miles of hostile open water infested with U-Boats and constantly under attack by the Luftwaffe!!!

That is almost 34,000 per day

Or to put it another way - NEW ORLEANS WOULD BE EVACUATED TWICE OVER BY NOW!!!

WHY THE **** ARE THERE STILL PEOPLE WAITING TO BE EVACUATED 6 DAYS AFTER THE HURRICANE STRUCK!!???

	03-09-2005 22:42									#157
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Our government is criminally negligent, that's why.

	03-09-2005 22:43									#158
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could someone driving down, and getting their sunday night, be able to assist in the evac?

JM

	03-09-2005 22:44									#159
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Look, 100,000 people - that is only 2,000 bus journeys! Six days on and there's still tens of thousands of people waiting to leave - just how ****ing incompetent can you be!!? How about a history lesson for all you neo-cons who still insist on defending this grossly incompetent admistration... Dunkirk 26 May - 4 June 1940, 65 YEARS AGO!!! In ten days 338,226 people were rescued by a fleet of mostly small wooden sail boats across about 30 miles of hostile open water infested with U-Boats and constantly under attack by the Luftwaffe!!! That is almost 34,000 per day Or to put it another way - NEW ORLEANS WOULD BE EVACUATED TWICE OVER BY NOW!!! WHY THE **** ARE THERE STILL PEOPLE WAITING TO BE EVACUATED 6 DAYS AFTER THE HURRICANE STRUCK!!???

Maybe we should send the Luftwaffe to speed up the process once again

	03-09-2005 22:46									#160
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Here's an irony for you:

The Department of Homeland Security is co-sponsoring September as National Preparedness Month.

	03-09-2005 23:02									#161
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...flpc21109012015

Take a look at this picture, tell me what's wrong with it.

-Giancarlo Sent this to me over IM.

I'll give you a hint, those 100s of buses ALREADY in New Orleans could have rescued these people BEFORE the hurricane hit!!! All this human suffering for such incompotence.

	03-09-2005 23:05									#162
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller could someone driving down, and getting their sunday night, be able to assist in the evac? JM

There very likely won't be anyone left to rescue by then. It will just be body recovery. That will be the end of a week with no water.

	03-09-2005 23:08									#163
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Hey i totally agree, that's easily a few thousand passengers in that picture alone - which just goes to show how easy it should be for the US to evacuate the remaining people in NO!

How is Gianinny anyway? Don't see him on Poly anymore...

Edit: x-post!

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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS --- In ten days 338,226 people were rescued by a fleet of mostly small wooden sail boats across about 30 miles of hostile open water infested with U-Boats and constantly under attack by the Luftwaffe!!! --- WHY THE **** ARE THERE STILL PEOPLE WAITING TO BE EVACUATED 6 DAYS AFTER THE HURRICANE STRUCK!!???

Perhaps there are not enough small wooden sail boats?

	03-09-2005 23:12									#165
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Hey i totally agree, that's easily a few thousand passengers in that picture alone - which just goes to show how easy it should be for the US to evacuate the remaining people in NO! How is Gianinny anyway? Don't see him on Poly anymore... Edit: x-post!

Um he doesn't post on Apolyton cause he think most of you are idiots and hates a lot of you, but besides that he seems to be ok... still is like a carbon copy of Bush if he was gay.

	03-09-2005 23:16									#166
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quote: Originally posted by Thorn Um he doesn't post on Apolyton cause he think most of you are idiots and hates a lot of you, but besides that he seems to be ok... still is like a carbon copy of Bush if he was gay.

Tell him we miss him - it's no fun without his informative and educational posts...

Does he think Bush has done a good job dealing with the Aftermath of Katrina?

	03-09-2005 23:32									#167
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Tell him we miss him - it's no fun without his informative and educational posts... Does he think Bush has done a good job dealing with the Aftermath of Katrina?

Yes he does, in fact he says the democrats should be taken out an shot for trying to make political gains over this.

	03-09-2005 23:36									#168
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That's him allright!

	04-09-2005 04:15									#169
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer Here's an irony for you: The Department of Homeland Security is co-sponsoring September as National Preparedness Month.

Maybe it's time to abolish the whole silly Department.

What have they done for America so far?

Nothing.

	04-09-2005 04:16									#170
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Look, 100,000 people - that is only 2,000 bus journeys! Six days on and there's still tens of thousands of people waiting to leave - just how ****ing incompetent can you be!!? How about a history lesson for all you neo-cons who still insist on defending this grossly incompetent admistration... Dunkirk 26 May - 4 June 1940, 65 YEARS AGO!!! In ten days 338,226 people were rescued by a fleet of mostly small wooden sail boats across about 30 miles of hostile open water infested with U-Boats and constantly under attack by the Luftwaffe!!! That is almost 34,000 per day Or to put it another way - NEW ORLEANS WOULD BE EVACUATED TWICE OVER BY NOW!!! WHY THE **** ARE THERE STILL PEOPLE WAITING TO BE EVACUATED 6 DAYS AFTER THE HURRICANE STRUCK!!???

Indeed, there is no excuse for this, and we have had other hurricanes many years ago where a similar or larger number of people were evacuated and without all the modern technology.

There is absolutley no excuse for what happened.

	04-09-2005 04:45									#171
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Indeed, there is no excuse for this, and we have had other hurricanes many years ago where a similar or larger number of people were evacuated and without all the modern technology. There is absolutley no excuse for what happened.

No there isn't. And I sincerely hope the two biggest culprits of this collapse, the Mayor of New Orleans and the Governor of Louisiana don't get reelected.

Their sheer incompetence and inablity to perform their jobs is staggering.

Course if I remember correctly their current Governor's primary campaign qualification was "she likes to hunt ducks," and admittingly Hurricane Katrina had nothing to do with hunting ducks so it was outside her area of expertise.

	04-09-2005 04:47									#172
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I don't disagree, Farb. The mayor and governor need to be held accountable.

It doesn't stop there, unfortunately.

	04-09-2005 04:47									#173
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Well if you think they're incompetent then by the same token you have to agree that Bush is too...

	04-09-2005 05:31									#174
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I'm more than a little surprised the disaster relief isn't better organised - the US used to be the best at it.

Is this what comes of political apathy and tax cuts which lead to essential services being under resourced?

	04-09-2005 05:32									#175
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Yes.

	04-09-2005 05:44									#176
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Well if you think they're incompetent then by the same token you have to agree that Bush is too...

Especially since it's Bush that has appointed both the Mayor and the governor ....oups, another MOBIOUS fckup.

	04-09-2005 05:48									#177
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Especially since it's Bush that has appointed both the Mayor and the governor ....oups, another MOBIOUS fckup.

Sorry, did I miss something? What happened to elections?

	04-09-2005 05:48									#178
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Especially since it's Bush that has appointed both the Mayor and the governor ....oups, another MOBIOUS fckup.

Oops, the overwhelming majority of Americans, across all political spectrums, hold the President accountable for what happened.

Oops.

	04-09-2005 05:50									#179
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I'm more than a little surprised the disaster relief isn't better organised - the US used to be the best at it. Is this what comes of political apathy and tax cuts which lead to essential services being under resourced?

YES

	04-09-2005 06:11									#180
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Oops, the overwhelming majority of Americans, across all political spectrums, hold the President accountable for what happened. Oops.

I' m sure they do, but is the President resposible or are the local elected ?

I guess that a poll gives the result you want, but I seriously doubt that it reflects how responsibility really are.