04-09-2005 21:23									#121
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MarkG, aren't you forgetting to contribute to the thread?

	04-09-2005 21:35									#122
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quote: Originally posted by germanos emphasis by me You ARE kidding, aren't you?

If you'll see the territory I pointed out, and will see it's population, and compare it with the jewish population of the world, you'll see I am completely right. Hertzel was a liberal (old meaning of the word) and envisaged the arabs living as a national minority, with rights and obligations similar to models he has seen in europe. You can see this in his works of fiction which can be considered the basis of the centrist zionist thought ( which was luckily marginalized by the labor movement, but sadly made a comeback in the last 20 years ). If you see the work in the context of the geopolitical situation and realities at the time, the creation of such a society would definetly have been a great deed of positive ethical value, alas this wasn't destined to be - since the superpowers certainly had no interest in this, and niether did the jews of western europe.

	04-09-2005 22:44									#123
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion MarkG, aren't you forgetting to contribute to the thread?

Yeah, c'mon Mark, lets see a picture of Alexander's empire.

	04-09-2005 22:58									#124
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per your request

	04-09-2005 23:03									#125
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That's greater FYROM

	04-09-2005 23:11									#126
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or we could do with the byzantine empire territories

	04-09-2005 23:13									#127
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson That's greater FYROM

i refuse to answer and find it much better to go watch M.I.B. 2

	04-09-2005 23:17									#128
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How about one of the areas Greece held + tried to take after WWI? You came close to actually suceeding with it, but took too big a bite.

	04-09-2005 23:21									#129
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG or we could do with the byzantine empire territories

You mean, Roman Empire.

	04-09-2005 23:24									#130
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And we've had a little bit more than that as well.

	04-09-2005 23:26									#131
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Not for want of trying...

Sorry, can't remember the last time Israel spontaneously attacked Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon etc. Been plenty of times those guys attacked Israel though.

Oh yeah, I remember. Israel's very existance is an "aggression" against all Arabs and Muslims ...

	04-09-2005 23:27									#132
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson That's greater FYROM

	04-09-2005 23:28									#133
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Hang on, if that's Greater FYROM, then don't the Albanians get to claim half of it?

	04-09-2005 23:34									#134
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And Bulgaria claims it all.
Hey! It';s a secret plan of the Turks to get into EU in 2007!

	04-09-2005 23:54									#135
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quote: Originally posted by Az If you'll see the territory I pointed out, and will see it's population, and compare it with the jewish population of the world, you'll see I am completely right.

No, I don't

But I've learned a bit more about zionism.

	04-09-2005 23:55									#136
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quote: Originally posted by Krill And we've had a little bit more than that as well.

Isn't it glorious? Makes all those other ones look rather insignificant, don't you think?

	05-09-2005 00:04									#137
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quote: Originally posted by germanos No, I don't

That's because you haven't tried. Note that I am talking about the population figures for the end of the 19th century.

quote: But I've learned a bit more about zionism.

And what is that?

Greater FYROM


Too bad the greeks couldn't ever match the accomplishments of their northen bretheren.

	05-09-2005 00:08									#138
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quote: Originally posted by Az That's because you haven't tried. Note that I am talking about the population figures for the end of the 19th century. And what is that?

That they are arrogant and patronizing bastards

	05-09-2005 00:08									#139
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It's very interesting that the north-west coast of Greenland is a very British pink. This is confirmation of the legitimacy of the Canadian claim on the map I posted earlier.

	05-09-2005 00:13									#140
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quote: Originally posted by germanos That they are arrogant and patronizing bastards

You mean 'you'.

anyway, o_O (WTF?!)

	05-09-2005 00:22									#141
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh This is confirmation of the legitimacy of the Canadian claim on the map I posted earlier.

Or it's confirmation of the Britsh inability to make proper maps even at the turn of the last century.

	05-09-2005 00:36									#142
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It seems almost as if we could make a competition: find a city in the Balkans not claimed by at least two countries. This would not be easy

	05-09-2005 01:07									#143
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quote: Originally posted by Winston Or it's confirmation of the Britsh inability to make proper maps even at the turn of the last century.

By the way of which:
I find it annoying that so many years after the fall of communism, some haven't noticed that there's no USSR, no Yugoslavia (the original one), the Tchechoslovakia, and they print leaflets and other stuff with maps 16 years old

	05-09-2005 01:07									#144
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara You mean, Roman Empire.

Roman Empire v2.0

	05-09-2005 01:10									#145
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His point is (probably) that they didn't consider themselves Greeks at all

	05-09-2005 01:13									#146
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let the man do his own trolling!

	05-09-2005 01:16									#147
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I'd aid him but my knowledge of that part of history is a little shaky

	05-09-2005 01:17									#148
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion It seems almost as if we could make a competition: find a city in the Balkans not claimed by at least two countries. This would not be easy

hmmm. not easy
well it depends on what yuo mean by "claim" and if you mean today or throughout history.

	05-09-2005 01:26									#149
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Well, obviously core regions of any country are likely to be uncontested (not in case of Macedonia, though). But border areas and remote regions in the Balkans are very likely to be eyed by the neighbours... perhaps waiting for the right moment? Take Solun/Thesaloniki. It is on at least three maps in this thread: Greek, Macedonian and Bulgarian. And it's only three, because the Turkish map hasn't been posted yet

	05-09-2005 01:27									#150
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I was hoping MarkG would post a map of Greek conquests in Asia Minor but that seems to be a secret