16-09-2005 05:23									#1
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Norways new primeminister Stoltenberg says he have informed GWB that Norway will pull its troops out of Iraq.

	16-09-2005 05:25									#2
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How many did you have, what was the reason you put them in and what is the reason you are pulling them out?

	16-09-2005 05:28									#3
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how many - 15
reason to put them in - officers assisting the brits and the poles
reason to pull them out - dunno

	16-09-2005 05:28									#4
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They say that Norway had 20 staff officers, most of whom were working on training Iraqi soldiers. I'm not sure why that would be objectionable.

	16-09-2005 05:32									#5
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Only 15? The Danes seem weirder by the minute.

	16-09-2005 05:33									#6
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Reason to pull them out: A new leftwing government?!!

Probably part of the deal to get the lefties in the government.

	16-09-2005 05:42									#7
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well there used to be about 150 from an engineer squadron.
don't know why that makes the danes seem weirder though.

	16-09-2005 05:59									#8
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and yep this is a concession to the socialist party. they're pretty anti-american. if they got their way the would leave nato and abolish the monarchy, so this is nothing really.
Stoltenberg (social democrat) is quite moderate and a reasonable fellow though, he also told Bush that the close cooperation in Nato and Afghanistan and so on will continue.

	16-09-2005 06:03									#9
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Thorvald Stoltenberg? If it was him, I remember the name... he had some role in Yugoslavian wars as negotiator or something.

Why Danes are different? Because they got pretty involved, unlike everyone else.

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Our primeminister just back from the UN-thingie. He and the pres. of Iraq both said that they would'nt put an end date to our involvement 'cause that just would make the terrorist feel that have a date-line to work after.

	16-09-2005 06:07									#11
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This is his son, Jens

ah I see what you mean. I guess the danes are pretty weird.

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quote: Originally posted by DanS They say that Norway had 20 staff officers, most of whom were working on training Iraqi soldiers. I'm not sure why that would be objectionable.

Symbolism is the reason they came in, symbolism is the reason they go out.

	16-09-2005 06:08									#13
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Why is that weird?

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different is perhaps a better word

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We had a thread about Danish involvement in Iraq some time back. BlackCat and Winston explained it but I still found it strange. Why Denmark yes and Sweden, Finland etc. no?

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ok no hard feelings, just wondering

	16-09-2005 06:14									#17
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Probably 'cause we have a liberal-conservative government while at least Swedens is social-democratic.

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Countries like Poland sent to kiss American ass. Denmark is different, they sent out of conviction, and I can't decide whether to admire that or roll my eyes at it.

	16-09-2005 06:25									#19
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also because sweden and finland are traditionally neutral countries

	16-09-2005 06:26									#20
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probably because we don't send combat troops to fight wars outside our borders? And we're not allied either. And we don't have the money for such operations. Nor the political will. And we don't exactly have the public support for it either.

	16-09-2005 06:27									#21
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Exactly. And why didn't Denmark name the same reasons? It's not like USA would have been very upset about it. They sent anyway.

	16-09-2005 06:28									#22
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Enough reasons? Then, give me the good reasons, why it would be in our national interest to go against all these other reasons? We're more into let's keep to ourselves and let others rumble. We don't need your problems, you go ahead, thank you .

	16-09-2005 06:29									#23
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You misunderstood me, what Finland and the rest of the world did (nothing) is the reasonable and easy thing to do. It doesn't surprise me. The opposite surprises me.

	16-09-2005 06:30									#24
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Denmark is a NATO member, yes? For that, they have alliance of some kind. They can send troops outside borders to meet these kinds of demands. Political will, well absolutely, they just did it so I guess it shows it's there. I don't know what the public opinion is, but I guess since it's dropping everywhere in the world, including the US, so I don't think ti's that high, but maybe it's still higher than in most countries.

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Well you asked why and I gave you the explanation. The question I asked was rhetoric one.

	16-09-2005 06:33									#26
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France is also in NATO and look at them. Germany too. They're in Afghanistan but not Iraq.

quote: I don't know what the public opinion is, but I guess since it's dropping everywhere in the world, including the US, so I don't think ti's that high, but maybe it's still higher than in most countries.

The two Danes who commented it here supported the involvement. As I said, I don't know what to think about that.

	16-09-2005 06:37									#27
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YEah they are, but we aren't, so in comparison I gave you few things they have that we don't for this operation.

At the end, maybe it was a coin toss I don't know.

	16-09-2005 06:42									#28
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it's obviuosly a combination of many factors

- right wing government
- nato
- don't know the numbers, but the contribution is small and it's focused on humanitarian stuff
- and what makes you think they didn't do it to kiss american ass?

	16-09-2005 14:43									#29
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What do they possibly gain by kissing American ass?

	16-09-2005 16:45									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf - don't know the numbers, but the contribution is small

Around 500. So it's not that small considering Denmark's size.

quote: and it's focused on humanitarian stuff

Err... not anymore than the contributions from the other members of the coalition.