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Darius871 is offline Darius871
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Grothgar, you can prove this hands-down if you just look at your intel reports in the savegames. The same thing happened at the Civfanatics game and we proved it that way (click here).

Also, what do you have to lose in posting your evidence?


Probably very little. I will probably do that once I have the time and remember where in the whole muddled up timeline this occured. Still, it does not bode well for people to bash my informant like you guys have been doing.

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Just a question, how can a fact be flawed? If it's a fact, it's true and if it isn't true it isn't a fact.

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Guerilla warfare was given by me to the germans, Morten and as I recall I made no secret about that.
Italy does not hold Turkey responsible for this incident, however we would ask for everyone (including the Turks) to keep your calm...
If the Germans and Brittish wants to break their alliance with Russia we can do nothing about it.

Again Italy wishes officially deny any kind of act of espionage!

The allegations are really not needed to do this, and the Brittish would do well to remember that when it comes to shady diplomacy they have themselves done far worse than what they are accusing the Russians off (namely betraying France).

Furthermore I suggest that a moderator take action against Darius for his spam posts.

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I will play and post my turn tomorrow. I thought this new situation needed some further explanation, and on this turn I need to take a look at the implications of the cancellation of the alliance. Russia will be open to prepositions from her friends in this new european balance of power, and be prepared to take appropriate action where needed.

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Betraying France hey, thats an intresting take on things lol. You see i was actually still allied to Germany at the time, and, well let me say it went like this...

Germany and Britain were planning on attacking france anyway, its just that with them being in an alliance with Italy and Turkey it would have made the conflict wider than me and JMarks wanted. However frances actions, withdrawing from the med alliance and alienating its friends made the whole operation completely feasable.

So me and JMarks concocted a huge smokescreen from which to hide behind which would convince france, and everyone else, that britain and germany would come to blows. Hence the "Blockading of the english channel" and "Germany refusing to let England join the CEU" and of course the "fight between Mr Smith and Ioannes"

While this was being played out my naval forces and germanys ground forces were being put into position and my false reports of transports loaded with freight were to put france onto a peace setting.

And then, BOOM!!, Germany invades, france calls for help, having moved most of its forces into its forward cities, and britain lands almost unopposed on the coast of france. And the rest they say is history.

Plus i never said turkey gave germany guerilla warfare, i said italy, which they did, i didnt mean that to be shady dealings, however the fact that they were researching that meant that they had to have had a tech boost from somewhere, otherwise they wouldnt be where they were. France gave them some obviously, but to advance as far as they have done, russia must have given them a helping hand.

And russias tech trading may be russian business but trading with our then "enemies" was forbidden by article 3 in the origional charter of the democratic league.

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Lets not forget that Jugoslavia retains French sceintific breakthroughs. It is of course possible that she helped the Italians.

-AK.

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Ioannes, president of the CEU, addresses Russian Ambasador

You Russians should be thankful we did not declare war against you for your crimes against the alliance. However, do not take that to mean tensions are starting to lighten. By no means! Tensions are tighter than an ameture tightrope walker's ass while crossing the grand canyon on a thread of dental floss. Do not do anything to overthrow him.

Ioannes addressing Italian Ambasador

Europe is in an uproar, and it is imparative that the Italian nation do nothing incriminating in these times. Such things as accepting Russia into alliance will be seen as further proof of your accessory to espionage and as an act of hostility. Tell Henriko not to do anything imprudent. War is the last thing Italy would want at this time.

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Klesh, i mean come on, i know that the french helped italy and turkey with techs, i know this from the french communiques before it wa squashed flat. But then france didnt do anything for quite some time, jugo is a relatively new nation so i can see you giving them one tech max

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FMK, I like your new avatar

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Ming i would like to be added to the list of people who are really freaked out by your avatar

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Without prior warning, russian forces in a sudden maneuvre early this morning took possession of the german capital of Berlin. According to wild rumours, citizens of Tannenburg were awakened by loud artillery fire, destroying the garrison of the city, hindering the movement of russian troops into german territory. Tannenburg neutralized, the road lay open to Berlin, says military analysts.

This drastic step was taken after weeks of rising tensions between the two former friends and allies, concluding in the hasty withdrawal of german participation in the alliance with Russia, making England follow her lead. The german refusal to raise the naval blockade of the baltic sea is said to be another cause of tension between the two countries, now escalating to a state of war, so it seems. This is firmly denied by russian officials however, who state that no other reason for this step exists but the german refusal to offer to the russian courts the evidence of the alleged high treason charges made against russian agents trading technology with the Mediterrenean Alliance. A coup d'etat has in effect taken place, in a political maneuvre still not uncovered. Apparently former Prime Minister Nicholas II has now been proclaimed Dictator of Russia, replacing high ranking generals in the offices of government, and outplacing the russian parliament, who stand baffled. The new Dictator is expected to make a public speech to the public later today.

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President Ioannes Declares Martial Law!
Russian Invasion Massacres CEU Parliament

The recent blitzkrieg upon the CEU capital Berlin has shocked the world. During the mayhem, parliament was in a locked doors session, and were only told of the Russian advance by the artillery shells that obliterated the building itself, killing and burrying all the members of parliament from all the CEU nations. As luck would have it, President Ioannes was visiting London at the time. Hearing the grievious news, and the masacre of the legislative branch, he immediatly declared martial law to take the necissary action of retaliating against the Russians. In an impromtue speach, he said, 'sure, we lost the legislative branch, but we still have the executive and the judicial, and two out of three ain't bad.' Also, he said, 'The Ruse shall pay dearly for her crimes.'

Ioannes was last seen boarding an airship to France, where he is said to begin the mobilization of the CEU forces.

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Italy is outraged by this blatant sneak attack on the German Empire!
As well as the attack on the CEU parliament.

President Henriko himself was visiting that very hall earlier this week, but was apparently lucky enough to get out in time for the attack.

However the Mediterenean league would like to declare themselves neutral in this conflict and will not attack anyone unless attacked first!

Meanwhile election time draws near, however the Ruling Social-Liberal party lead by the former king Henriko Lohmandero is expected to win this election as well by a landslide (During the last election Henriko's party got 75% of the votes!)...

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Britain Shocked an Appaled at Russian actions!!!!

Word of the Russian attack and subsequent capture of Berlin found Mr Smith and President Ioannes in a conferance in London discussing the new trade initives between the two nations. Mr Smith was said to be "shocked and appaled" by this unprovoked sneak attack and immediately offered his support to his friend Ioannes.

Speaking outside of 10 Downing Street, while Ioannes was taking the nearest Airship back to france, Mr Smith launched a stinging attack on the russian dictator. He commented that The Royal Navy would sally forth from their ports and destory the russian navy. He then went on to say that they would then bombard and destroy all of russia coastal towns.

The HMS Empire, which was steaming to the med, has now performed an about turn and will soon be joining the 8 battleships steaming towards the baltic sea. Mr Smith is confident that this is just a set back and the german counter attack will sweep the floor with the enemy and take the counter attack deep into russia.

Britain also asks permission from the Turkish nation for unrestricted access through the Bosperous for the Royal Navy. Mr Smith did stress that this permission wasnt necessary, britain will be using this entrance anyway but it would be seen as a good omen if permission was granted.

Britain and Germany will make Russia pay, and let no nation stand in their way.

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As a result of the Russian agression against our German allies, Spain is now in a state of war with Russia. The Spanish Government confidently predicts that Moscow will be under Spanish control within six months

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Turkey denies any access to the Strait of Dardenelles to any vessel that will be used in the act of war.

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The Royal Navy would like to point out that it already has a destroyer in the black sea and thus can say that if turkey blockades the strait they are proving themselves an enemy of britain and germany because there are no russian ships in the black sea!!! Thay are all in the Med!! mostly near malta and sicily.

So please dont be stupid and aid the enemy of democracy, Russia, let royal navy ships pass through, after all if the russian navy is sunk its betetr for turkey.

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Turkey is a neutral country thus we will not let you warmongers use our neutral waters!
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If you wish to attack a neutral country for no reason, then you go ahead. Your ally won't be happy about the unprovoked attack on a neutral country

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Jugoslavia reaffirms the Mediterranean League's neutrality in this disasterous conflict. Our meager army has been put on alert at our border posts for any suspicious troop concentrations. We, being the only nation bordering any of the warring nations, would like to declare Jugoslavian land and airspace to be offlimits to men and machines of the CEU and Russia. Detatchment of naval vessels steaming past Athens on their way to the Bosperous to join the Turkish fleet.

Our condolences go out to those CEU Parliamentaries that were killed or injured during the recent hostilities.

-Andreas Kleshnikov.

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Turkey also reasserts its neutrality in this war. Our waters and land are to be neutral, meaning that will not be used in acts of war.
Turkey also mobilizes her armed forces to protect our neutral lands and waters from aggression...

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Mr Smith would like to ask Turkey to define the specific acts of war which cannot be used in turkish waters. Ie, can we just go through but not attack each other until we are in say the black sea. Or will driving ships through your waters be considered an act of war against the turkish people? I need details please.

Also Britain would like to know what the esteemed turkish people would do to anyone who violated the specific terms which i am sure will be coming.

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Will since my battleship will be blocking the strait you would have to destroy that resulting in an act of war on Turkey. Using my waters to go create an act of war is not allowed. IE u can't go through to attack Russia.
Sorry, why don't u just go focus in the Baltic

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Berlin Retaken!
Russian Main Offensive Disintigrated!
Roose in Prussia Still Loose!

The Russians, evidently partying from their celebrations in taking Berlin, were rudly awakened by the sound of artillery shells. Horrid Retaliation raised her fist and scattered the main Russian offensive to the wind. Berlin, though only in the hands of the Roose for a week, suffered greatly. Buildings were destroyed, streets and rails were uproated in the terror that will be forever known as the Berlin Captivity. As CEU forces marched through the liberated city, all came out and celebrated. Ioannes gave a heart breaking speach on the rubbled steps of the parliament building. 'Russia must be brought to reckoning. We shall do so, but we will not be the same monsters. We shall offer peace when the time comes.'

Since the lines been severly damaged to Prussia, little could be done to help the two remaining cities from the Russian foe. But the army of the CEU marched on. In an amazing flanking maneauver, CEU forces swept around the Russian front line and took Warsaw from the rear. Partisan activity was heavy, but CEU forces pushed on deep into the heart of Russia, taking and setting up base in the cities of Mogilev and Vitebsk. No cities in between offered any resistance, so they were left alone, lest in doing so, the citizens rise up against the invading forces. 'No,' general Jaques said, 'we will not wage such a war. Those cities are defenseless, and when all is said and done, will be handed over to the victor'. At sea too, the CEU won out, sinking a destroyer, an armored cruiser, and a Battleship.

The CEU however, is not interested in a prolonged war, and thus offer this peace:

In exchange for peace, Russia will:
Return Tannenburg and disband the Prussian Invassion force,
Hand over all cities between Warsaw and Vitebsk (Brest-Litovsk, Bobruisk, Minsk, Vilna) and will disband the defenders between Poznana and Warsaw
Shall cede Sweden, Finland and the Baltic cities of Reval and Riga to England.

Counter offers will be given ear.

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It must be noted, however, that it is highly advised to accept the treaty as is. If a reasonable conclussion is not reach, the war will continue, and I will make greater demands. So please, be easy on yourself!

-Ioannes

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Mr Smith urges the Russian Dictator to accept these very generous proposals offered by My German Colleague. He commented that the Russian attack had obviously been smashed and the Counter attack was in force.

He also said that intelligence reports (ie the unit count at the beggining ) showed that this russian attack was almost a one off, with no forces in reserve, Germany is being very generous with these offers and i can assure you that if you do not accept these terms now or in the near future i can gladly see the complete liberation of the Russian State.

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What Mr.Smith clearly does not see is the literally thousands of russian patriots who will be willing to sacriifice their lives in welcoming german invasion forces. Key points has been reinforced all over Russia, and any city invaded by german forces will meet tough civilian resistance, draining gerrman economy in a long enduring war effort. Obviously this is not in germany's interest, since the only party to profit from this will be the neutral mediterrenean aliiance. From this standpoint, Russia is willing to continue the war effort. The german proposal is clearly unacceptable as it is, but will be considered, however. The russian dictator is expected to make a counterproposal on the following turn.

 
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