23-07-2003 14:44									#1261
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I dont know, he came onto MSN for about 20 seconds last night, enough time for me to tell him it was his go and then poof, he had vanished.

	24-07-2003 00:19									#1262
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I see choke on alot, i'll try and catch him on tonight or today and tell him its his turn.

	26-07-2003 05:19									#1263
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You're right Darius... Well, if its ok with everyone, I'll play my turn come monday if Choke hasn't re-appeared.

	29-07-2003 22:46									#1264
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Sorry, I was out of town will play right now.

	30-07-2003 07:15									#1265
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my turn

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	30-07-2003 20:45									#1266
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Interegnum Period Over!

After the sudden disappearing of President Ioannes, the patriotic Jordan Darius Wilhelm II, leader of the opposition party of parliment, had accepted the inter-regnum position untill proper elections could be held. Not that he had much choice as it does say in the constitution that the staunchest opponent will take over the duty of the President should he be incapacitated. Those rules are being revised.

Elections proper have been held, but much to the surprise of the entire nation, a last minute candidate entered the race... the missing Ioannes. Evidently he had been captured by Japanese Ninjas in a desperate attempt to upheave European politics so that Japanese influence may increase in Manchuria. However, he fought them off in their secret dungeon beneath Mt Fuji and swam back. Things are thought to go back to 'normal' in a few months.

Civilians Trapped In Russia!

Two civilian engineer corps are currently trapped behind Russian lines tonight, the same as had been for months now since the war. Why? They don't have Russian passes. As such, the Russian military bars all passage to them. CUE ministers of foreign relations are working frantically to get them passes back into CUE territory, but it is quite uncertain as to wether or not this will be feasible. Re-elected President Ioannes is said to have said, 'If our civilians are fired upon, or forcibly sent out without their equipment, this will be seen as an act of war. If Russia wants war, we will not refuse them again.'

In other news, the last of the occupation forces have finally moved out of Vilna's suburbs, and are now outside Konigsburg.

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PS. Have we reached concensus on RRs? I would like to have that settled before any more potential wars break out.

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	30-07-2003 22:59									#1267
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I believe you have yet to vote on the RR issue?

As I recall your predecesor was for, as am I and Choke and I think Sun Tzu. Note sure about Brittain and Russia.

As for the engineer issue it seems like it would be very easy to solve to me, Russia wants them out of there acording to several earlier comuniqés and Germany wants them back. Perhaps some constructive talks would be in order

	31-07-2003 02:40									#1268
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well, why don't we do things according (more or less) to Robert's rules of order? Can we have a motion please???

Heck, I'll make the formal move.

I move that all railroads be removed from our PBEM, save those on industrial squares (squares with mines on them). As such, all other usages of railroads will be prohibitied for any other terrain for any other use.

Ok, now someone second it, or shoot it down. Then we'll put it to a vote. Then we'll figure out how we wish to implement the resolution (assuming it passes).

Sounds good?

	31-07-2003 05:49									#1269
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Now that I'm out I can remove them if you guys decide so, just let me know.

	31-07-2003 06:44									#1270
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I'll vote in favour of it if we also change the rules.txt to increase the road multiplier - I'm really counting on trade units reaching their destinations in short periods of time

	31-07-2003 08:50									#1271
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ok, road multipliers... we don't want them too big. Any suggestions?

	31-07-2003 09:43									#1272
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can we just make the railroads have a multiplier instead? say 1/5

	31-07-2003 09:49									#1273
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If you know how to modify RR movement so that they're not infinite, then speak up!!!

Otherwise, I didn't think that was possible... otherwise the RR problem wouldn't be a problem in so many PBEMs as the designers would have already done that with the RRs.

	31-07-2003 13:39									#1274
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You can't change the RR multiplier, I say we make roads 1/6...

And are we supposed to still be able to build rails on hills? Or just leave the ones allready there?

Perhaps it'd be best (though painfull for Italy's economy to be sure) to remove all rails?

	31-07-2003 18:46									#1275
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Nope, i wont accept removing railroads from the hills, England has too much at stake in regard to production for that to happen.

I dont care whether we remove them, being on an island surrounded by Dreadnoughts im not that worried but if we do then we keep railroads on hills and we are allowed to build them on hills as well.

	31-07-2003 23:21									#1276
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DP, look down a few.

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	31-07-2003 23:27									#1277
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That aint going to happen either, Britain isnt exactly a production powerhouse under the best of conditions. Plus if you build railroads with one space inbetween then there is nothing to stop you building an airbase in that space.

	31-07-2003 23:27									#1278
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Ok, so the proposition now is to remove all RRs except on mined squares. No further RRs may be built, save on mined squares. The rules shall then be modified to make roads with a 1/6 movement multiplier.

This of course would mean all forests will have their rails removed also.

Do we have a second?

Also, I propose that Darius, since he volunteered his services, be the one to go in and remove the RRs.

	31-07-2003 23:38									#1279
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I think ill second JMarks idea, sounds acceptable to Britian

	31-07-2003 23:38									#1280
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I'd suggest removing as many railroads on hills that are necessary until no two RR squares are adjacent. As for building them, people would be allowed to build RRs, but only on industrial squares and never adjacent to one another. If you're allowed to build railroads on all industrial squares, then a clever invader could get from York to Aberdeen or from Nice to Reggio in one turn. My $.02.

	31-07-2003 23:41									#1281
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They would have to get past my fleet first, this is why im not bothered either way because it doesnt really effect me as much as any other nation.

	31-07-2003 23:48									#1282
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I think that that would be up to the defender to decide. As the proposal now stands, all industrial (mined squares) may have RRs. I'm fine with that. Doesn't mean one has to have them either. Also note, you can't build on hills unless they are mined.

Anyway, my proposal has been seconded... any further discussion, or shall we go straight to the vote?

	01-08-2003 02:18									#1283
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Let's vote

	01-08-2003 02:40									#1284
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I vote YEAH to JMarks last proposal.

	01-08-2003 03:35									#1285
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Russia votes yes

	01-08-2003 04:47									#1286
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Ok...so we are removing them except on industrial squares and increasing the multiplier?

	01-08-2003 10:26									#1287
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quote: Originally posted by JMarks Ok, so the proposition now is to remove all RRs except on mined squares. No further RRs may be built, save on mined squares. The rules shall then be modified to make roads with a 1/6 movement multiplier.

So that would be a yes. Cast your vote now, yes, no, abstain. If you have anything you would like to discuss (different modifier, rails on things other than industry squares) mention them now. Otherwise vote!

So far it is

Yes: 3 (CUE, England, Russia)
No:0
Abstain:0

Cast your official vote now!

	01-08-2003 11:29									#1288
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YES!

	02-08-2003 03:02									#1289
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What about forest and wooded hill squares?

	02-08-2003 05:35									#1290
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Forested Squares are not industry squares, so no rails on them. Unless somehow we were able to build industry (mine) on them, we can't have rails on them according to the current proposition.

That is, remove all rails everywhere except on squares with industry on them.

That simple. If anyone objects, or didn't understand this when they voted, please speak now before voting has closed!

Yeah: 4 (CUE, Italy, Russia, England)
Neah: 0
Abstain: 0
Not yet voted: Spain, Turkey, Jugoslavia

If you haven't voted, please do so now!
Since this is a major game overhaul, I think that everyone should vote.