06-01-2002 16:08									#151
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The Sakhalin/Kuril Islands (whichever they are) need to be made more habitable. At least make them hills, so that Japan has something to work with besides Tundra.

Afghanistan need some Wheat or Cattle. Persia expands in that direction, and ends up with nothing.

	06-01-2002 17:55									#152
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quote: Originally posted by Gauke I have found the file but how will I edit it? I turned on grid co-ordinates. I think I didn't understand what you said. Stupid ME!

You can open WORLD113.C3B using notepad (its just a normal text file) find the line that says......

Japan 224 68

.....alter the co-ordinates to whatever the new start location is and then save the file. You can then use the player start location corrector off the start menu like normal.

If you have any further problems message me (see my sig, below)

Vonotar

	06-01-2002 18:44									#153
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Thanks!

	07-01-2002 09:14									#154
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Has anyone experimented with doubling the movement of EVERY unit (including workers) EXCEPT Settlers and setting the movement cost for desert and tundra to "2"?

Just curious.

-Oz.

	07-01-2002 23:18									#155
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Could someone who has the file please send it to me on icq, since the download doesn't work?

Btw, does anyone know how I could use it with my own rules, I have changed a really great part of the game, which I ofcause would like to use when I play on the Earth Map?

	08-01-2002 03:05									#156
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quote: Originally posted by ADG Could someone who has the file please send it to me on icq, since the download doesn't work?

You should just need to rename the file to .zip to get it work. (If that doesn't work...you can get the map at Civfanatics')

	08-01-2002 18:14									#157
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos You should just need to rename the file to .zip to get it work. (If that doesn't work...you can get the map at Civfanatics')

I tried that, but it just say the zip is damaged. Maybe I should take a look at civfanatics, haven't thought of that

	08-01-2002 22:20									#158
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Isn't this supposed to be a zip file??? It's not compressed at all! Hope it works, I just dled it but I'm at work so I'll have to try it latter tonight. But if I can get help before then just to know cuz...This map looks like an ass kicker BIG TIME!!! Why do u say it's a self-extracting zip file when it's really not?

	08-01-2002 22:58									#159
	Wot you talking about?????? Suffering from ads?

quote: Originally posted by Lomansik Isn't this supposed to be a zip file??? It's not compressed at all! Hope it works, I just dled it but I'm at work so I'll have to try it latter tonight. But if I can get help before then just to know cuz...This map looks like an ass kicker BIG TIME!!! Why do u say it's a self-extracting zip file when it's really not?

Because it is

The zip contains a executable file, which is both a self-extracting zip and installation program (it runs several commands after self-extracting). The self-extractor is posted to Apolyton in a zip file as you are not allowed to post .exe files

Stats for version 1.13.....

Total Installed Size = 1261KB (i.e. the space used on your HD)

Installation File Size = 463KB (37% of the unpacked original size)

Posted Zip File Size = 417KB (33% of the unpacked original size)

If reducing the files to 33% of there true size is not compression I don't know what is!

The single file contained inside the zip installs everything to the correct location and installs Start Menu items.

Anything else your not sure about ask.

People having problems downloading from here should try CivFanatics which at the time of writing has had 3650 downloads!

	10-01-2002 00:52									#160
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I was about to make a suggestion, but now I see I already did. In my new game, Persia is devastated, as usual. They really need something in the Afghanistan region to keep them competitive with Babylon and India.

One change I made, after increasing the "optimum size" for empires, was make Temples, Marketplaces, Banks and Cathedrals all reduce corruption.

Ordinarily (as Germany), I'd be forced to build my FP in Babylon... but I don't even see much use for it. Even Delhi is doing just fine without it!

Big problem is still the fanatical rush to colonize Siberia. What if you replaced the forests with just plain tundra (for some of it, anyway), and then set Tundra to 0 for everything (only 1 shield, after mining). Would the AI still settle up there?

	10-01-2002 06:43									#161
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quote: Originally posted by Aqualung One change I made, after increasing the "optimum size" for empires, was make Temples, Marketplaces, Banks and Cathedrals all reduce corruption. Ordinarily (as Germany), I'd be forced to build my FP in Babylon... but I don't even see much use for it. Even Delhi is doing just fine without it! Big problem is still the fanatical rush to colonize Siberia.

look/try out what I had done with my mod.
to decrease corruption by distance factor it isn't the right way, I believe, to give market place, banks, cathedral all the flag to reduce corruption. Such buildings/enhacements never had reduced corruption.
I instead created some more (Regional)Palaces without culture, depending from a research level corresponding with the average expanding at that time.
Lower corruptuion flags I only give harbours, airports, barracks, courthouse, police.
To fix the terrible setteling at sahara, north ice sea and sibiria I changed the food needed by a citizen and amount of citizen and shields needed by a settler. Furthermore I made some changes at desert, tundra, forest and hills.
Tested with all map sizes and with random maps, it works fine I believe and is relative good balanced. 4 weeks works I need for it.
Try it out, download it here: http://civ3-stuff.cjb.net/ Civ3-Corruption-Solution-10.zip

	10-01-2002 21:38									#162
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I've edited tundra to be uninhabitable - 0, 0, 0. Irrigation gains no bonus, tho mining gets a shield. The only food, shields, and trade come from special resource tiles. Seeing Greenland and Siberia carpeted with towns just isn't right.

Oil will still be needed, thus the allowance for using furs and game to settle there. Otherwise, colonies are going to be needed.

More terrain/resource comments:
North America's largest gold mine is absent! The Black Hills, near the Missouri River on this map, should have a gold.

Rubber is native only to South America. I'd suggest reducing the number of rubber tiles in Africa and Indonesia. Add more spice to Indonesia and oil to Africa.

	11-01-2002 08:03									#163
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how do i download your map? i keep getting some weird file whenever i click on that link that you have on your post.

	11-01-2002 08:08									#164
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quote: Originally posted by Marquis de Sodaq I've edited tundra to be uninhabitable - 0, 0, 0. Irrigation gains no bonus, tho mining gets a shield. The only food, shields, and trade come from special resource tiles. Seeing Greenland and Siberia carpeted with towns just isn't right.

Does this make a huge difference? I suspect the AI will still carpet Siberia on the few forest or trade squares.

	11-01-2002 09:57									#165
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quote: Originally posted by Vonotar Does this make a huge difference? I suspect the AI will still carpet Siberia on the few forest or trade squares.

I'm trying just now an other way: set tundra irrigate to 0 instead, but leave it foot 1 while a citizen needs 3 food.

	12-01-2002 01:54									#166
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I switched Tundra from 1 food to 1 shield, deactivated Plant Forest for Tundra, and raised food consumption to 3.

The effect is what I predicted: it slows everyone down. But as far as Dreifel's experience in the AI expanding "more effectively", I didn't see that (But I didn't change settler cost, just food consumption). The Iroquois head east, into Forested Tundra, instead of west and south. The Aztecs were equally unwise in their placement. I've got all (except Maine, that's Iroquois) of the continental U.S., and the Aztecs still only have 5 cities.

While establishing Embassies, I see that Persia has "built" a Settler, but won't reach 3 pop for 6 more turns. It just slows the AI down. I'm human, I can cope, so all this really does is give the advantage to the human. I could do Deity on this, since even if the production bonus halves the shields necessary for a Settler... well, the AI ain't smart enough to maximize food production, so Persepolis would have "built" that Settler and been forced to wait 12 turns to reach 3 pop.

	12-01-2002 11:53									#167
	V1.16 Beta Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

OK, this is Version 1.16 beta

For the changes from 1.13 to 1.15 see Marla's earlier note

Changes from 1.15 to 1.16
----------------------------------

* Rome AI is now flagged to produce Navel units
this is in line with the aim to get Rome to expand around the med, since France and Germany tend to eat-up Europe too quick for the Romans to get a look in!

* Pirogue Unit now has it's own directories
With files copied from Galley, hopefully this will fix the majority of crashes that have involved the Pirogue, I suspect these were caused by the game attempting to work with both Pirogue's and Galley's at the same time and then failing cos both used to point to the same files causing a conflict

* Read-me/Documentation now in Html format
Did this earlier with an add-on, but I've re-vamped the readme. For those who didn't see the earlier attempt this contains the usual stuff plus a complete list of city names for each Civ. Html format also means you don't need such-n-such version of Word to read the "readme", the logic being that if you got the mod from here - you must have a browser

* New Installation Program
Designed to make it easier for me to work on other mod's that can live along side this one (since we have now moved into the dodgy area of editing the civilopedia!).

Since this is a beta version it does not un-install any previous versions.

Any problems either e-mail me at vonotar@lastlands.org

Attachment removed pending another fix for Win9X systems

Last edited by Vonotar on 03-03-2002 at 06:09

	12-01-2002 21:26									#168
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quote: Originally posted by Aqualung I switched Tundra from 1 food to 1 shield, deactivated Plant Forest for Tundra, and raised food consumption to 3. The effect is what I predicted: it slows everyone down. But as far as Dreifel's experience in the AI expanding "more effectively", I didn't see that (But I didn't change settler cost, just food consumption).

well, and that's the point. Otherwise the slow down effect will end latest when all have Monarch. Youn eed to build in both.

	12-01-2002 23:10									#169
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It would appear that changing the cost of settler production and the food rating of tiles just slows down the AI rather than forcing them to do something other than expand!

Last edited by Vonotar on 03-03-2002 at 06:11

	13-01-2002 05:27									#170
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quote: Originally posted by harcan25 how do i download your map? i keep getting some weird file whenever i click on that link that you have on your post.

Same problem here....i only get an "attachment" file which does exactly NOTHING...

BUGGER

	13-01-2002 08:44									#171
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"attachment" is the correct file, but you need to manually type in the zip file name, extension and all. It will save to the hard drive as if the popup worked properly. Then it should work normally.

	13-01-2002 12:49									#172
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quote: Originally posted by Marquis de Sodaq "attachment" is the correct file, but you need to manually type in the zip file name, extension and all. It will save to the hard drive as if the popup worked properly. Then it should work normally.

Actually it depends on what browser you download it with. Some browsers get a corrupt attachment file.

	14-01-2002 20:29									#173
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos Actually it depends on what browser you download it with. Some browsers get a corrupt attachment file.

I stand corrected. What I posted above works using Microsoft's IE.

	15-01-2002 23:37									#174
	1.16 Removed Remove this text

I've removed version 1.16Beta until I can fix some very major glaring bugs *smacks self*

Main problems....

Pirogue icons incorrectly referenced in pediaicons.txt....
art\civilopedia\units\84PirogueLarge.pcx
should be...
art\civilopedia\units\29PirogueLarge.pcx

But you'll have only got this far if running XP as windows 9X users just get an error message after install (unless you have VB6 runtimes installed)

Basically the ideas are sound, my implementation was a mess, this is what happens when you give yourself a deadline

However lots of work is being done, I expect to have 1.17Beta rolling soon, hopefully with no bugs!


Incidentally both 1.16 and 1.15 both involve replacing your civilopedia.txt and pediaicons.txt files with new versions, this i'm told causes translated versions of Civ3 to become dual language with the main game still in the local language, but the civilopedia in english! So I'm working on a new technique for 1.17 which will see the extra text being inserted into the existing files rather than replacing them, the pirogue description will still be in english but this won't affect the rest of the civilopedia (or any mods that you may have done to it)

So if anybody is using a non-english version of Civ3 and wants to submit a translated description for the Pirogue please email me, 1.17 will be multi-language compatible.

Yes I'm taking the issues slightly too far but I'm not just aiming to improve the world-map here, I'm also trying to build an enhanced and comprehensive way of installing ANY modpack (as opposed to the current situation where everybody is submitting there own versions of files and installing more than one modpack means having to get your hands dirty trying to merge two modpacks together!)

Hope some of this makes sense!

I'm in the middle of translating stuff from VB (well QBasic actually) to Delphi, anybody with experience of this PLEASE EMAIL ME (not that i'm desperate for help.. honest!)

Vonotar

Last edited by Vonotar on 03-03-2002 at 06:12

	17-01-2002 02:03									#175
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I don't mean to be negative here, but there's a minor problem relating to realism.

Iroquois will not be able to build their UU and will probably be able to build knights by the time they do get a source of horses.

	17-01-2002 02:09									#176
	Re: 1.16 Removed Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

quote: Originally posted by Vonotar I'm in the middle of translating stuff from VB (well QBasic actually) to Delphi, anybody with experience of this PLEASE EMAIL ME (not that i'm desperate for help.. honest!)

I could convert it to C++, but I guess that you don't have a complier. But what is wrong with QB (except from that it uses DOS)?

	17-01-2002 02:18									#177
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos I could convert it to C++, but I guess that you don't have a complier. But what is wrong with QB (except from that it uses DOS)?

No long filename support, at least none that I can find, and 90% of what the program does is file access. VB is good, but requires destribution of a 1.3Mb MSVBVM60.DLL file (and you know how I feel about VB Runtime files already *grin*). Delphi is proving a harder nut that I thought to crack, my old pascal knowledge doesn't seem to be helping me, so I've gone back to testing various types of compiler basic...

	17-01-2002 02:27									#178
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First off, thanks to everyone involved in making this Map and the correct start locations workaround. Fantastic stuff.

Is there any chance of the same crew making a "normal" size world map? The reason I ask is that the "huge" map does bad things to my computer (400mhz/64MB) - it's taking a looonnnngggg time between turns in 400AD.

Thanks again.

-Arrian

	17-01-2002 02:30									#179
	Re: Re: Re: 1.16 Removed Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: Originally posted by Vonotar No long filename support, at least none that I can find, and 90% of what the program does is file access. VB is good, but requires destribution of a 1.3Mb MSVBVM60.DLL file (and you know how I feel about VB Runtime files already *grin*). Delphi is proving a harder nut that I thought to crack, my old pascal knowledge doesn't seem to be helping me, so I've gone back to testing various types of compiler basic...

That is true. If you send me the QBasic files to my mail I might be able to turn them into C++, but not today.

	17-01-2002 03:06									#180
	Inflate your Upload Space

You can get a free C++ complier at
http://www.borland.com/bcppbuilder/freecompiler/