03-12-2001 19:51									#1
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Heh. I saw those two Helicopters leaving the Gaza Strip on BBC, and five minutes later I saw them from my window.

Yasser's Arafat HQ was targeted and destroyed. Unfortunately he's in Judea&Samaria now.

	03-12-2001 19:52									#2
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and the cycle of death and hate will continue.

	03-12-2001 19:52									#3
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And the school also cancelled our school trip, that was supposed to start tommorow

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Also, Arafat's Helicopters were hit.

	03-12-2001 19:57									#4
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3 of his Helos were destroyed.

Few news sites report that Israel decided to wage war against all terror organizations, including the Fatah and the Tanzim.
Meeting concerning Arafat himself will be held after Sharon's speech today(19:30 Israel time).

	03-12-2001 19:58									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Eli Heh. I saw those two Helicopters leaving the Gaza Strip on BBC, and five minutes later I saw them from my window. Yasser's Arafat HQ was targeted and destroyed. Unfortunately he's in Judea&Samaria now.

Yes, I can tell you're definitely enjoying all this destruction and killing...

I take it you also don't care if this means more Israeli civilians are going to get brutally torn apart by nail bombs!

Apparently Hamas have suicide bombers queueing up around the block eager to volunteer! (Guess they figure that if they're going to die anyway, they might as well take a few Israelis with them...)

Oh well...

	03-12-2001 20:02									#6
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What's all this "retaliation begins" nonsense? Somebody just fall off the turnip truck?

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	03-12-2001 20:03									#7
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Does no one there realise that the only sensible way out is to stop the retaliation and get back around the table ? You both have to do so sometime, unless genocide is the aim. Might as well be sooner than later.

But I guess it's always the other side that have to do so first, and they must fail to retaliate for a few times on the trot, just so "we're" sure "we" "won".

Look at it this way, what sort of example are you giving out ?

	03-12-2001 20:06									#8
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Doesn't Israel see that they are playing into the militants hands? By bombing Arafat they make him appear weak to the Palestinians and he will lose any semblage of moderating power over them.

All hell is about to break loose and you will have brought it on yourselves.

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Bah. Seniors in the PM office sat that Arafat will not be hurt and that the attacks 20 minutes ago were just a "very strong" message to him.

	03-12-2001 20:13									#10
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The Palestinian claim that there are tens of casualties. From some reason you cant see them in the videos we get from there.

	03-12-2001 20:17									#11
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Some message.

Both to him and to the other Palestinians.

Your leader can not stop us blowing bits out of your area. Might as well give up on him and take matters into your own hands.

Or did you have a more moderate leader in mind that you wanted to negotiate with ?

	03-12-2001 20:18									#12
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Very well. Israel will now show the Palestine that they have the power to strike back, if needed. If terrorist continue attacks, Israel should reoccupy those territories. It's too good anyway, that territory is Israel!

	03-12-2001 20:21									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Eli The Palestinian claim that there are tens of casualties. From some reason you cant see them in the videos we get from there.

Yeah, well, the videos you get...

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All I can think of is that I'm glad I don't live in such a hot area.

I far from know the whole story, but it seems to me that the only people that ever die are civilians. Retaliation usually means kill a few civilians.

Pretty silly. No real progress on either side. Just this back and forth bs that only kills innocent people. Sad.

	03-12-2001 20:29									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Eli Heh. I saw those two Helicopters leaving the Gaza Strip on BBC, and five minutes later I saw them from my window. Yasser's Arafat HQ was targeted and destroyed. Unfortunately he's in Judea&Samaria now.

Eli, i know you give a damn about the hipocritic whining of those pro arab "ghuf"(good human-underdog friends), i wouldnt either, but let me tell you "i am not happy"!
It was absolutely foreseeable that your country can only take a certain amount of ****, if even Arafats FATAH takes part in the bomb attacks, despite the forum fools who want you to just sit there and swallow it. You have to strike back!
But, what will come next?
There is no way to compromise with the scumbags of Hamas and Jihad and where is the thinn line to Tanzim and FATAH?
???

	03-12-2001 20:29									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Frodo Yeah, well, the videos you get...

And the last time I checked I was getting far more detailed information than you. If you have some pictures and videos that show tens of casualties, show them. Otherwise we should treat those "reports" just like we treat the Taliban's reports about hundreds of casualties everyday.

	03-12-2001 20:34									#17
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If both the Israelis and Palestinians could get their asses to the peace table this wouldn't happen... no either side must continue killing each other. This is unbelievable and this shows my growing discontent with both the Israelis and Palestinian Authority.

	03-12-2001 20:35									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Superpopanz Eli, i know you give a damn about the hipocritic whining of those pro arab "ghuf"(good human-underdog friends), i wouldnt either, but let me tell you "i am not happy"! It was absolutely foreseeable that your country can only take a certain amount of ****, if even Arafats FATAH takes part in the bomb attacks, despite the forum fools who want you to just sit there and swallow it. You have to strike back! But, what will come next? There is no way to compromise with the scumbags of Hamas and Jihad and where is the thinn line to Tanzim and FATAH? ???

We were compromising with Arafat for 8 years now. The result? 500+ dead, tens of thousands of gun carrying Palestinians, endless incitement to kill Jews, etc.
Arafat is welcomed in Europe, Ahmed Yassin is not. Arafat can call to Chirac(sp?) and complain, Yassin cant. Arafat can make great shows on CNN, Yassin says the truth about what they think about Israel. With Arafat we need to talk and discuss(like we did for 8 years), on Yassin we can just shoot.

	03-12-2001 20:40									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo If both the Israelis and Palestinians could get their asses to the peace table this wouldn't happen... no either side must continue killing each other. This is unbelievable and this shows my growing discontent with both the Israelis and Palestinian Authority.

Sorry, but this is BS! The most attacks always happend during negotiations and peacetalks!
The scumbag organisations do not want a compromise, for they will loose their power and betray their only goal, " elimibnation of Israel"!
Unfortunately even the strongest society will get FED UP after the 20. bomb!

	03-12-2001 20:48									#20
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The Pals are talking about 10 lightly injured people.

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quote: Originally posted by Superpopanz Sorry, but this is BS! The most attacks always happend during negotiations and peacetalks! The scumbag organisations do not want a compromise, for they will loose their power and betray their only goal, " elimibnation of Israel"! Unfortunately even the strongest society will get FED UP after the 20. bomb!

Well then we must, the EU and US put pressure on both sides, enormous pressure.

	03-12-2001 20:54									#22
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Maybe we could just kill off both sides.

	03-12-2001 20:56									#23
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The White House : Israel has the right to defend itself.

	03-12-2001 21:14									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Well then we must, the EU and US put pressure on both sides, enormous pressure.

	03-12-2001 21:18									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Eli And the last time I checked I was getting far more detailed information than you. If you have some pictures and videos that show tens of casualties, show them. Otherwise we should treat those "reports" just like we treat the Taliban's reports about hundreds of casualties everyday.

I'm just trying to say that at this point no one really knows if anyone has been injured or not. You seemed to be implying that because your news sources didn't mention any casualties, than the Palestinians must be lying. Both sides are biased, and that goes for the conflict in Afghanistan too.

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	03-12-2001 21:19									#26
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Giancarlo, I'm cutting off your pacifist Argentian mouth. Peace just don't exist in war. This WAR. KILL PALESTINIAN TERRORIST

	03-12-2001 21:49									#27
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quote: Yeah, well, the videos you get...

Even for a troll this is an idiotic statement as you don't get any other videos.

Unlike the totalitarian countries sorrounding us, we have international media and we set our opinion according to what we see on all sources.

The recent thing I saw on english Sky network, around 18:00 was 10 lightly wounded.

This in contrast to reports by palestinian instigators on BBC and CNN of "dozens of killed" and "people who ahve just now sit down to eat the only meal of the ramaddan".

quote: Originally posted by drake I far from know the whole story, but it seems to me that the only people that ever die are civilians. Retaliation usually means kill a few civilians.

That's incorrect.

Civilians die too unfortunately.

But Israel never targets civilians.

The people that may have been hurt are Arafat's Force 17 (Presidential Guard) and they've been participating in drive-by shootings and mortar shooting.

Out of the big 800 Palestinians dead -

Around 230 are terrorists that Israel killed, whether in assassinations or combat. This also includes work accidents, some which may be Israel's work.

Terrorists includes not only Jihad and Hamas, but also members of Fatah and Tanzim which launch mortars and perform drive by shootings and shooting amocs in cities.

Around 20 are terrorists that died in terracts - many of them unsuccessfull.

There are numerous failing attempts each month whihc don't get reported and thereby create the appearance that "Arafat keeps it quiet".

Out of the 550 left, many were violent protestors in the several months that threatened the lives of Israelis.

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quote: Originally posted by Bob Dornan Giancarlo, I'm cutting off your pacifist Argentian mouth. Peace just don't exist in war. This WAR. KILL PALESTINIAN TERRORIST

Please, oh please stop posting such nonsense!


This helps no one. When you were trolling a bit before, it was at-least somewhat amusing. Not anymore.

	03-12-2001 22:04									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Richard Bruns and the cycle of death and hate will continue.

So I take it you think the US should not have gone after al-Qaeda?

	03-12-2001 22:06									#30
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And that Britain should'nt have let the Nazis to take Europe? After all, it would've saved many lives.