 |
| |
|
| |
|
|
Bereta_Eder
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by DinoDoc
Thank you, paiktis22! That is the real point I've been trying to get at |
We know our shortcomings. This should not constitue a base for all the other blizzard of misinformation and slander though.
quote:
Is it really so much to ask that a police force actually follow up on information given to it by a foreign government, |
Greece does not accept "lists of suspects" from USA. (Again I refer you to the well known history of american interferences). However we did check that information and it yielded nothing. These are statements of The Minister of Public Order. (the one noone wants you to hear about and about what he has to say).
I wonder what the CIA really wanted to accomplish by that list... ( a base for more slander perhaps?)
quote:
that you allow reasonable laws to pass that would might actually allow the police to do thier job, |
The laws are adequate INMO. If you ask us to toughen them up we would have to lose civil liberties. No can do. The problem is not so dire as to require a.. martial law 
Last edited by Bereta_Eder on 09-01-2002 at 22:46
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Bereta_Eder
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by DinoDoc
Is the BBC biased? The article by them posted by Spray seems to go along perfectly with what I've been saying. These accussations of bias are starting to grow tiresome given the fact that a) you have provided no evidence to prove the myriad of stories wrong & b) so many news agencies are providing the same information which calls in the Greek commitment/ability to see justice done. |
BBC (which also stops being objective and turns yellow when brits are involved) also has not proof to offer.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
vlad
|
|
Of Nanaimo British Columbia
Dec 1999
time: 21:17
|
|
My take on the 60 Minutes story was really just a kick in Greece's head to get prepared for the olympics and keep everyone safe.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Bereta_Eder
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by vlad
My take on the 60 Minutes story was really just a kick in Greece's head to get prepared for the olympics and keep everyone safe. |
Wrong. We are used to such reports from the US. It has only bolstered anti-americanism. (and tried to intimidate our Prime Minister just 1 day before he met Bush to discuss things like Cyprus, precious US ally Turkey etc.. but sorry, it doesn't work that way).
I like that letter to BBC BTW:
We in Greece do not support this extremism. I am very sorry for your loss and the great loss for your daughters. However I do not understand why everyone connects this with the fact that the 2004 Olympics are hosted by Athens. Atlanta failed miserably in security during their Olympics. We believe this connection is made because America wants Greece to pay huge amounts of money and to allow a huge amount of agents to come to Greece and take over security during the Olympics. This will have huge implications over our sovereignty and will make I think this does great misjustice to a the memory of a noble man, your husband. (a Greek student in the UK)
or this
There is no link between Greek terrorist groups and sports. There is no recorded incident in the past to claim that. Instead somebody could state that terrorist actions and sports were present in other "more advanced countries" than Greece. Who could ever forget the bomb that exploded in a park in the 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta, US or the terrorist actions in the Munich Olympic Games. Since then both countries applied and hosted some very significant sport venues without any hesitations. Instead of accusing Greece being dangerous and inhospitable country, we could focus on the violence problems in USA, where teenagers shoot their colleagues in schools.
Agapitos Hatzipetros
or this
Greece is a safe country. These particular terrorists are after politicians or people involved with politics. They have not caused the death of simple civilians as IRA, for example has. So, the Olympic games CAN be safe in Greece as they were in Spain with the ETA, or in England with IRA or in France with Islamic groups or in America with 13 years-old kids killing people with gun machines. Finally, I would like to ask if the British would be interested about 17N if a British diplomat hadn¿t been killed. I¿m not trying to justify what 17N has done but I just want to make the point that 17N is irrelevant with the safety of the country, and with the safety of the Olympic games.
Evanthiav Spanidou
Essex
Last edited by Bereta_Eder on 10-01-2002 at 03:31
|
|
| |
|
|
|
axi
|
 |
Athens Greece
Sep 1999
time: 07:17
|
|
Wow! The 17N thread which I failed to notice earlier...
MarkG, paiktis22, I think that what you're doing is bad PR. Giving more publicity to a libel only makes more people believe that libel. And I guess that after 11-9 most Americans tend to believe such anti-terrorist crap over the truth. However, since many more people are watching CBS than viewing this thread, there is no harm done. 
Now let me see, since some people in the forums have already accused me of being a terrorist myself, it seems that I have nothing to lose, so I will make some comments...
1. Greek police IS rather incompetent when facing REAL detective work and REALLY dangerous people; greek policemen are in general neither clever nor brave people. See the Kostas Passaris case, f.e.
2. As far as the greek people are concerned, 17N is not a terrorist organisation, in the sense that it brings them no terror. They are just another criminal organisation, which specialises in political crime. in fact they are even more harmless than a regular criminal gang, since they're not after you and me. It is a 100% guaranteed that the public would rejoice much more if the police apprehends 10 cat-burglars (not to mention murder-rapists or drug dealers) than if it catches the whole organisation.
3. 17N's main concern each time they hit is getting publicity, being in fashion and seeking targets which the public dislikes. Also their manifestoes are rather apologetic. They hold the record of being the organisation with the biggest efforts to be popular and yet the smallest support base (themselves).
4. Their hits are strangely in sync with US pressure on the Greek govt, on various issues and with possible US govt and CIA-specific interests, concerning the targets. The last terract in Greece is characteristic: a couple of days before the 17 of November anniversary, a high-tech remote controlled bomb exploded outside a mall, barely missing to injure several people: a blind strike, aimed to terrorize the public. The vast majority of greeks are sure that this was a rather clumsy CIA provocation.
5. Nobody except some conservative Americans believes that the 17N members are communist idealists, like the RAF and other groups. Like nobody believes that PASOK is a socialist party.
6. Terrorism is a word which has not the same definition around the world. Don't be so self-righteous as to believe that your own definition is correct. In my book, what the United States called their foreign policy these last 50 years, is terrorism too.
|
|
| |
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:17.
Apolyton Time is 00:17. |
top of page
|
| archivepost |
|
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
|
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
|
|
|
|
|
|
09-01-2002 17:23
|