18-03-2002 21:22									#31
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Bisexuality is a sexual orientation, just like heterosexuality or homosexuality. All three sexual orientations deserve equal, legitimate recognition. None of them are a fad or a trend -- you obviously chose your words to deliberately offend some people. I find your ignorant rantings amusing, Boddington.

I've known people "come out" as bisexual, when they obviously don't intend ever to be anything other than straight.

I suppose it's the whole thing with being part of a cool minority.

	18-03-2002 21:31									#32
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Boddington's - two questions.

1) Do you or do you not accept my theory that we're born with a sex drive, but without sexual preferences?

2) Can I be bisexual and label me as such if I'm not attracted to both sexes?

	18-03-2002 21:38									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's I've known people "come out" as bisexual, when they obviously don't intend ever to be anything other than straight. I suppose it's the whole thing with being part of a cool minority.

I've got a good mate who has never come out as bisexual but has had long term relationships with women and men. I don't think he was being trendy at the time.

	18-03-2002 21:44									#34
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Boddington: I doubt bisexuality is a trend, and I doubt anybody would willingly want to be bi, as it only brings upon immense pressure particularily when the person is in my age group. Therefore, your reasoning is flawed, and incidentally it is incorrect.

	18-03-2002 21:45									#35
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MikeH, I'm not claiming every bisexual is being so to be trendy, just that bisexuality has increased in prevalence due to various social cliques thinking it's something cool.

quote: Originally posted by Monk Boddington's - two questions. 1) Do you or do you not accept my theory that we're born with a sex drive, but without sexual preferences?

Did you have a sex drive at three years old? It's something that develops, obviously.

quote: 2) Can I be bisexual and label me as such if I'm not attracted to both sexes?

No.

	18-03-2002 21:52									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's I suppose it's the whole thing with being part of a cool minority.

Oh ya, you sure nailed it right on the head

a good friend of mine that has been openly Bi since Highschool used to get his assed kicked so bad (at school) he ended up in the hospital on more than one occasion (I have been down that road a few times myself).

*sigh* if only I could be that cool again.

	18-03-2002 21:59									#37
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Bisexuality tends to be cool among the goth/metallers/punk cliques. Not that it was cool across all aspects of society - just in their little cliques.

	18-03-2002 22:01									#38
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You'd be astonished how disgustingly liberal most of the British youth is as well.

	18-03-2002 22:05									#39
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quote: Did you have a sex drive at three years old? It's something that develops, obviously.

Some would say so... Freud for example.

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It's great that liberal attitudes to sex and open mindedness about lifestyle is breaking into the mainstream. I'm glad British youth is 'disgustingly' liberal.

An alternative view to why more people are admitting to bisexuality is that it's more socially acceptable these days so people can admit to it. I'm not bisexual but I sometimes find guys attractive. *shrug*

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Did you make this poll cuz you wondering what you are Jon?

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	18-03-2002 22:31									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin Some would say so... Freud for example.

everybody who thinks clearly agrees that Freud is crap

even those that don't think clearly overall (the physcology and pschiciatry fields) think that he is crap

Jon Miller

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quote: Originally posted by Spectator Did you make this poll cuz you wondering what you are Jon? Let me tell you something, you either SUCK d|ck or you DO NOT SUCK d|ck. - Andrew Dice Clay

no

I am sure and comfortable with my sexuality (and despite appearances it is not asexuality)

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	18-03-2002 22:40									#44
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Well this thread certainly turned out to suck quite badly.

Bisexuals can do what they want, leave them alone, don't try to understand them or speculate why they're bisexual. They are, it's fine to be, let's move on.

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On freud and sexuality:
Might be that Freud was a confused, oversexual junkie. I hardly ever agree with him but still; Nihil ex nihilo (nothing comes from nothing).

	18-03-2002 23:39									#46
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Stew, don't talk such utter bull.

Perhaps there are one or two people that claim to be bisexual for ulterior motives; however, they are an extremely small minority, and whatever you might now claim, your original post read "bisexuals are only choosing to be like that because it's currently trendy". Not some or a few, you tarred all bisexuals with that brush. It's a revolting, bigoted comment, and I sincerely hope it's only a troll.

Besides, what would you know about the "goth/metal/punk cliques"? You wouldn't touch them with a bargepole. You bought NOFX and Offspring shirts and were too embarassed to wear them! How can you make such stunning generalisations about groups you don't even know or understand?

I've seen people go through hell over their bisexuality. Some of whom you know too. I've ventured far further into those "cliques" than you ever had the balls to do, and I've yet to meet a "trendy" bisexual. Yes, some "alternative" people do look down on those that aren't like them (which I think is why you seem to hate them so much), but again it's a small minority. It's not trendy to be bisexual. For everyone other than the bigots, it's irrelevent.

Like Jon said, grow up.

	18-03-2002 23:42									#47
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My current gf is kind of a bisexual , but she has told me she prefers men.

	18-03-2002 23:42									#48
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quote: Originally posted by *End Is Forever* Stew, don't talk such utter bull. Perhaps there are one or two people that claim to be bisexual for ulterior motives; however, they are an extremely small minority, and whatever you might now claim, your original post read "bisexuals are only choosing to be like that because it's currently trendy". Not some or a few, you tarred all bisexuals with that brush. It's a revolting, bigoted comment, and I sincerely hope it's only a troll. Besides, what would you know about the "goth/metal/punk cliques"? You wouldn't touch them with a bargepole. You bought NOFX and Offspring shirts and were too embarassed to wear them! How can you make such stunning generalisations about groups you don't even know or understand? I've seen people go through hell over their bisexuality. Some of whom you know too. I've ventured far further into those "cliques" than you ever had the balls to do, and I've yet to meet a "trendy" bisexual. Yes, some "alternative" people do look down on those that aren't like them (which I think is why you seem to hate them so much), but again it's a small minority. It's not trendy to be bisexual. For everyone other than the bigots, it's irrelevent. Like Jon said, grow up.

while in many circles it is not trendy to be bisexual is some places it is

I know areas where over 30% of teens are Bi

and I have heard many (especially females) talk of having sex with other girls becuase they were pressured into it by there boyfreinds/social group

Jon Miller

	18-03-2002 23:45									#49
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Well, since we got two of the standard bigoted responses to Bisexuality (the "straight" one with the "trendiness" and the "gay" one with "doesn't dare come out fully"), I'm just waiting for a passing troll to adopt the third one ("All bisexuals are by nature unfaithful partners").

	18-03-2002 23:46									#50
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Jon,

quote: while in many circles it is not trendy to be bisexual is some places it is

Such as...?

quote: I know areas where over 30% of teens are Bi

Statistically proved or hearsay and gossip?

quote: and I have heard many (especially females) talk of having sex with other girls becuase they were pressured into it by there boyfreinds/social group

That doesn't make them bisexual, and I doubt they would describe themselves as such.

I think I agree with those who said that sexuality was a continuum.

	19-03-2002 00:03									#51
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quote: Originally posted by *End Is Forever* Jon, Such as...? Statistically proved or hearsay and gossip? That doesn't make them bisexual, and I doubt they would describe themselves as such. I think I agree with those who said that sexuality was a continuum.

Ala it is my hometown

it is small enough that neither statistics or hearsay are needed (less than 600 teens)

some of those I know like having sex with the same sex (And I am sure that there are some from the opposite direction), but they seem to eye and find most interesting those of the opposite sex

I guess that might get into the definition of what is a bisexual

Jon Miller

	19-03-2002 00:33									#52
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QUOTE FROM MONK:
I agree whole-heartedly that you can't just make a choice and switch your preferences. I do want to ask you however, whether we can agree that one's sexuality cannot possibly at the time of birth be limited to one of the genders, and that same sexuality is if not entirely, then at least mostly shaped by your environment.

If that's correct, we're all bisexual to begin with, whereafter our respective environments in most cases shapes a preference for one and only one gender. It would also mean you could eventually change your sexual orientation if the "forgotten" side in yourself was stimulated somehow, maybe through reflections on sexuality, being around bisexuals in a pseudo-sexual context and so on.
Of course, that would only be possible in a period of actual sexual development - I can imagine that the early teen years would probably be those where one would be most easily affected.

END OF QUOTE FROM MONK

This is what began in another thread started by Blisterz and we decided to continue the discussion here, where it is more relevant.

I have to get back to you on this Monk to provide more meaningful comments. Right now, I'm pressed for time. Gotta get to classes in less than a half hour.

	19-03-2002 00:40									#53
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun This is what began in another thread started by Blisterz and we decided to continue the discussion here, where it is more relevant.

Fine, leave my thread, see if I care!

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	19-03-2002 03:09									#54
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Just take the time you need Fun.

Boddington's,

Did you have a sex drive at three years old?

Of course, because every living person is a sexual being. This applies even if the person in question is a mere infant, and even if Freud was incorrect on other issues. Even young boys are capable of getting erections or react to sexual or pseudo-sexual stimulation in other ways. Most children have at some point in their development participated in various forms of social interaction with obvious sexual over- or undertones.

Your sexuality, including your sexual preferences, is part of your identity, and we probably agree you're born completely without identity. However, your sexuality does not constitute your sex drive. If you're still not convinced, think about all the other basic, natural drives of man; your need for food, sleep, contact with other humans and so on. It's obvious that you were born with those - what, then, makes you think the basic and fundamental desire for sex is something you're born without, something you'll have to eventually develop?

If I haven't convinced you and you feel like continuing, you need to explain one additional thing, and that is whether the sexual development as you see it is a result of a social or biological process.

	19-03-2002 03:19									#55
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I believe we're all born with the potential for a healthy, heterosexual sex drive. Similar to that we're born with the potential to be six feet tall (give or take a foot), but obviously we aren't born that tall.

In some cases then, the healthy sex drive obviously isn't fulfilled. People claim to be gay, people claim to be bisexual, and some people claim to be asexual.

	19-03-2002 03:22									#56
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I understand that, but please answer my question in details, so I know what I'm supposed to argue against.

	19-03-2002 03:53									#57
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I wasn't going to bore you with a page long post when a few lines can exquisitely sum it all up.

What more facts do you require?

	19-03-2002 04:26									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's I believe we're all born with the potential for a healthy, heterosexual sex drive. Similar to that we're born with the potential to be six feet tall (give or take a foot), but obviously we aren't born that tall. In some cases then, the healthy sex drive obviously isn't fulfilled. People claim to be gay, people claim to be bisexual, and some people claim to be asexual.

I like the way you say 'healthy heterosexual sex drive', clearly implying that homo and bisexuality are unhealthy.

	19-03-2002 05:19									#59
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quote: I believe we're all born with the potential for a healthy, heterosexual sex drive. Similar to that we're born with the potential to be six feet tall (give or take a foot), but obviously we aren't born that tall. In some cases then, the healthy sex drive obviously isn't fulfilled. People claim to be gay, people claim to be bisexual, and some people claim to be asexual.

I don't know what to say to this.

	19-03-2002 05:24									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild I don't know what to say to this.

It's posted by Bodington's, there's really nothing more needed to be said.