19-03-2002 23:39									#91
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What's the difference?
You can't justify anything in nature, it just is.
Contrary to popular belief, men are part of nature as well.

What kind of bullshit is this "justify in nature" crap anyway? That has no bearing on anything.

	19-03-2002 23:42									#92
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Hey retard, I said nothing of the sort. Re-Read my post. I never said anyone had to justify there sexual prefrence. I just said it isnt natural. While its natural to the person. Its not to nature as a whole.

It is completely, and 100% natural.

Homosexual behaviour has been documented in hundreds of species, including all of the species of "higher intellect". It probably exists to some extent in all species where it's possible, but it is not something that has been documented well in the past. (because of bigotry and intolerance on the subject)


Also, the only behaviour on this subject that could be considered unatural would be the bigotry and intolerance that humans have, no other species does this.

	19-03-2002 23:43									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Asher What kind of bullshit is this "justify in nature" crap anyway? That has no bearing on anything.

You see somthing thats not right and shouldnt add up. It doesnt make sense at all


Like Homo-Sexuality

	19-03-2002 23:45									#94
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory You see somthing thats not right and shouldnt add up. It doesnt make sense at all Like Homo-Sexuality

Why don't you knock back a few and drive your pickup off the farm's cliff?

Homosexuality doesn't have to make sense, it doesn't have to be justified, just in the same sense that blonde hair doesn't need to be justified or make sense. That's how it is.

Only a fool discriminates based upon that kind of stuff.

	19-03-2002 23:47									#95
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That's a very nice rod you have made there fg. It will complement your back beautifully

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Hello again Fun,

But you're basically saying that we are all born asexual then, right? And then we develop our sexual indentity later in, say, our teenage years?

What I'm basically saying is that as a natural part of the before mentioned status of sexuality as a part of your identity, your sexuality continues to develop your entire life, not just in puberty. Maybe, if you are active in homosexual circles, you've met a woman who was beat up by her husband when she was 25 to 30 years old, and from that time on has been unable to engage herself in any kind of sexual relations with a man. Or if you want to talk about other forms of sexuality that are different from the norm, it's also been proved that people that have been exposed to incest are more likely to become child abusers themselves when they become adults, or for that matter obtain a couple other sexual deviances.

Another more scientific example could be the often quoted theory that some people develop homosexuality as a result of a dominating mother in the first couple of years (I cannot elaborate that much on the theory but I know it's represented by psychologist Johan Cullberg, in case you're interested).

So in conclusion, no, we're not born as asexuals. They're people without any sex drive whatsoever, and you're very much born with a sex drive. It would be more precise to say you were born without sexual preferences because this is a part of your identity and we all had to start from scratch. This means that if I had the relevant details about your life and the psychological insight required, then I could tell you why you are today a homosexual man. It doesn't have anything, or at least much to do with genes or coincidence.

Now, faded glory,

We can talk, think, reason. I dont think Bi Sexuality or Homosexuality is applicable or justified in today's world. There's just no natural justification beyond preference. Its just not normal. Plain and simple. Its genetic suicide.

What about masturbation, then? I asked Bod's the same question, but I hope you're capable of answering, too. From your "natural justification, genetic suicide" perspective, there is the difference between a heterosexual man who masturbates occasionally and a bisexual man who engages in homosexuality occasionally and so your statement doesn't really make sense. Especially not since bisexual men seems to get more women than the rest of us

	20-03-2002 00:17									#97
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"Homosexuality doesn't make sense," faded?

What doesn't make sense, Sparky, are your ill-formed trolls and small-minded pettiness and ignorance.

	20-03-2002 00:52									#98
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Remember Plato's Allegory of the Cave?

Well, Boddington and Faded seem to be living in the world of shadows when it comes to sexual orientation and sexual development.

And thanks for your elaboration, Monk.

But I do have problems with the dominating mother theory -- seems to be too simplistic to explain sexual orientation development, and risks being based on sexist reasoning and stereotypes.

	20-03-2002 01:05									#99
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I've been inspired to make a new smiley.

	20-03-2002 01:09									#100
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Someone said the homosexuality/Bisexuality was natural.

And I said to prove it. Its not mine to prove it isnt. They said it. They didnt...

quote: What doesn't make sense, Sparky, are your ill-formed trolls and small-minded pettiness and ignorance.

I find it odd how im being called and ignorant and attacked bye lefties. Yet I havent said ONE Bigoted or anti-homosexual thing on this thread.


This thread reeks of prejudice and ignorance. its not me

	20-03-2002 01:56									#101
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory I find it odd how im being called and ignorant and attacked bye lefties. Yet I havent said ONE Bigoted or anti-homosexual thing on this thread.

You mean, besides homosexuality not making sense at all? Or it's not natural? Or it's not justified? No, no bigoted or antihomosexual things here, no sir!

Using "retard" was a particularly sophisticated use of language as well. Kudos.

	20-03-2002 02:13									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld I've been inspired to make a new smiley.

ROTFLMAO

	20-03-2002 02:49									#103
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Someone said the homosexuality/Bisexuality was natural. And I said to prove it. Its not mine to prove it isnt. They said it. They didnt... I find it odd how im being called and ignorant and attacked bye lefties. Yet I havent said ONE Bigoted or anti-homosexual thing on this thread. This thread reeks of prejudice and ignorance. its not me

Faded, most of your remarks might not be truly bigoted or hateful, but you seem to have used a lot of ignorant, connotative statements. Just like Boddington does.

I'm not meaning to attack you by portraying you as true bigot -- you have just said some ignorant things. It's only becase you do not know better, and you can learn more about this topic.

	20-03-2002 02:53									#104
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Someone said the homosexuality/Bisexuality was natural. And I said to prove it. Its not mine to prove it isnt. They said it. They didnt...

How the **** do you prove that?
It DOES happen in nature, it's now WELL DOCUMENTED and OBVIOUS.
You're the one saying that because it happens in nature it doesn't mean it's natural.

What the hell is your problem?

quote: I find it odd how im being called and ignorant and attacked bye lefties. Yet I havent said ONE Bigoted or anti-homosexual thing on this thread.

1) You'd better not be calling me a leftie
2) You have too. You're too ****ing stupid to realize it.

quote: This thread reeks of prejudice and ignorance. its not me

Not quite, big guy. You're too ignorant to notice your ignorance.

	20-03-2002 06:14									#105
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quote: This thread reeks of prejudice and ignorance. its not me

I agree with you FG. These people are so keen in proving that they aren't "bigoted" (whatever their definition of that is), that they are practically up the arses of the homosexuals and bisexuals themselves.

	20-03-2002 06:18									#106
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quote: I agree with you FG. These people are so keen in proving that they aren't "bigoted" (whatever their definition of that is), that they are practically up the arses of the homosexuals and bisexuals themselves.

You are a sad, sad little man that will die a very lonely death.

"These people" have far more experience and knowledge in the area than you, and you're making stupid arguments with FG (homosexual acts in nature, although proven true, are not "natural"? wtf?). You're wrong, and I think even you can figure that out.

	20-03-2002 06:20									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Asher You are a sad, sad little man that will die a very lonely death. "These people" have far more experience and knowledge in the area than you, and you're making stupid arguments with FG (homosexual acts in nature, although proven true, are not "natural"? wtf?). You're wrong, and I think even you can figure that out.

What?

I don't really want to get involved in that kind of discussion anyway as it doesn't itnerest me what squirrels get up to. Their choice.

	20-03-2002 06:22									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's What? I don't really want to get involved in that kind of discussion anyway as it doesn't itnerest me what squirrels get up to. Their choice.

Bisexuality/Homosexuality happens in nature.
Bisexuality/Homosexuality doesn't affect you.
Why do you care, then? Answer that: Why do you care?

	20-03-2002 06:23									#109
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I don't care.

So long as it's not thrown in my face.

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Aha.
There you go, bigotry. At least on some level.

If sexual intercourse is thrown in my face at all, I'm angry about that.

If a man and a woman kiss, I don't care. I suspect you don't either.
If a man and a man kiss, I don't care. I suspect you do. Perhaps you're feeling a little insecure?

	20-03-2002 06:27									#111
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Insecure? Why would I feel insecure?

i just don't want to see it, and neither does 99.9% of the rest of the population.

	20-03-2002 06:29									#112
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Stew! Now you're here, reply to my post...

quote: Stew, don't talk such utter bull. Perhaps there are one or two people that claim to be bisexual for ulterior motives; however, they are an extremely small minority, and whatever you might now claim, your original post read "bisexuals are only choosing to be like that because it's currently trendy". Not some or a few, you tarred all bisexuals with that brush. It's a revolting, bigoted comment, and I sincerely hope it's only a troll. Besides, what would you know about the "goth/metal/punk cliques"? You wouldn't touch them with a bargepole. You bought NOFX and Offspring shirts and were too embarassed to wear them! How can you make such stunning generalisations about groups you don't even know or understand? I've seen people go through hell over their bisexuality. Some of whom you know too. I've ventured far further into those "cliques" than you ever had the balls to do, and I've yet to meet a "trendy" bisexual. Yes, some "alternative" people do look down on those that aren't like them (which I think is why you seem to hate them so much), but again it's a small minority. It's not trendy to be bisexual. For everyone other than the bigots, it's irrelevent. Like Jon said, grow up.

You've ignored it twice already.

	20-03-2002 06:30									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Insecure? Why would I feel insecure?

You tell me. You're the one afraid to see it. Perhaps it's tempting? Perhaps you tend to think of gay sex when you see two men kissing? I don't know how your feeble mind works, you can figure that one out yourself.

quote: i just don't want to see it, and neither does 99.9% of the rest of the population.

If the response to this thread is any indication it appears the minority is the bigots who have a problem with it.

	20-03-2002 06:32									#114
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It's perfectly natural. If it's seen in other primates, then it's natural. Therefore, your arguement is flawed.


Or are you saying that science is wrong? Or is it just that nature's unnatural?

	20-03-2002 06:33									#115
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I'll answer the parts of it that are questions.

quote: Besides, what would you know about the "goth/metal/punk cliques"?

I listen to some goth, punk and metal music and hence gain knowledge about the cliques from the lyrics; visit various web forums about them; visit various such nightclubs in Manchester and am a cautious member of some clubs here at uni.

I think this helps me to see the general extremely liberal mindset of these cliques, where to be seen as anything other than "open-minded" is perhaps the most important thing of their existence.

quote: How can you make such stunning generalisations about groups you don't even know or understand?

Why do you think I don't know or understand them? I've jsut explain that I do.

	20-03-2002 06:35									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Faeelin It's perfectly natural. If it's seen in other primates, then it's natural. Therefore, your arguement is flawed. Or are you saying that science is wrong? Or is it just that nature's unnatural?

Who is arguing that it is unnatural? Not me. I'm just arguing that most people give reproduction the highest priority for reasons to lvie, and obviously homosexuals can't do that without the aid of some pretty complex technology that needn't exist anyway.

quote: You tell me. You're the one afraid to see it. Perhaps it's tempting? Perhaps you tend to think of gay sex when you see two men kissing? I don't know how your feeble mind works, you can figure that one out yourself.

Yeah real tempting. I'd rather see a dog laying a turd.

quote: If the response to this thread is any indication it appears the minority is the bigots who have a problem with it.

99.9% is a minority then?

	20-03-2002 06:37									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's I'll answer the parts of it that are questions. I listen to some goth, punk and metal music and hence gain knowledge about the cliques from the lyrics; visit various web forums about them; visit various such nightclubs in Manchester and am a cautious member of some clubs here at uni. I think this helps me to see the general extremely liberal mindset of these cliques, where to be seen as anything other than "open-minded" is perhaps the most important thing of their existence to avoid. Why do you think I don't know or understand them? I've jsut explain that I do.

	20-03-2002 06:37									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Yeah real tempting. I'd rather see a dog laying a turd.

Hey, whatever floats your boat...

quote: 99.9% is a minority then?

Um. You and FG are the only ones I'm seeing in this thread with a problem with it. How is that 99.9%? You're outnumbered.

Obviously not a math major, eh Stewie?

	20-03-2002 06:38									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Hey, whatever floats your boat... Um. You and FG are the only ones I'm seeing in this thread with a problem with it. How is that 99.9%? You're outnumbered. Obviously not a math major, eh Stewie?

People tend not to argue their true viewpoints on the internet..

	20-03-2002 06:39									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's People tend not to argue their true viewpoints on the internet..

Ah, okay then.
So you and FG really have no problem with it.

Carry on.